My 'fixed numbers for transformations' list

[Hector]

Rules: 1)Every transformation is a fixed number, which means that all Saiyans who are in the same form have the same power (e.g. all Super Saiyans have 150mil, all Ascended Super Saiyans have 750mil etc.) Fusions are excluded from that rule.

MECHA FREEZA SAGA
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Vegeta: 2.7m

Piccolo: 2.5m

Gohan: 1.1m

Krillin: 150k

Tenshinhan: 120k

Yamcha: 55k

Chaozu: 12k

Mecha Freeza
-initial: 65m
-full power: 130m

King Cold: 70m

Future Trunks: 3m
-SSJ: 150m

Goku: 3m
-SSJ: 150m

ANDROIDS SAGA
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Yamcha: 1.5m

Tenshinhan: 2.25m

Krillin: 2.5m

Nineteen: 80m
-post energy: 100m

Twenty: 85m
-post energy: 90m

Piccolo: 105m

Goku: 3m
-SSJ: 150m
-SSJ sick: 100m

Vegeta: 3m
-SSJ: 150m

Future Trunks: 3m
-SSJ: 150m

Future Seventeen: 165m

Future Eighteen: 165m

Eighteen: 180m

Seventeen: 200m

Sixteen: 285m

Piccolo (post Kami)
-weighted: 190m
-full power: 210m

Imperfect Cell
-1st appearance: 175m
-2nd appearance: 300m

Semi Cell
-initial: 450m
-full power: 600m

Tenshinhan: 2.25m
-20x kaioken: 45m
-neo tri beam: 450m

Vegeta (post ROSAT): 3m
-SSJ: 150m
-ASSJ: 750m

Perfect Cell
-warm up: 1.2b

Future Trunks: 3m
-SSJ: 150m
-ASSJ: 750m
-USSJ: 1.5b

CELL GAMES
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Goku: 3m
-MSSJ (warm up): 1.2b
-MSSJ (full power): 3b

Cell Jrs: 2.4b

Vegeta: 3m
-Semi MSSJ: 2.25b

Future Trunks: 3m
-Semi MSSJ: 2.25b

Piccolo: 2b

Perfect Cell
-warm up: 1.2b
-powered up: 3.2b
-full power: 4.5b
-zenkai: 6b

Gohan: 3m
-MSSJ: 3b
-SSJ2: 6b

BUU SAGA
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Piccolo: 2b

Goten: 3m
-Semi MSSJ: 2.25b

Trunks: 3m
-Semi MSSJ: 2.25b

Gohan: 3m
-MSSJ: 3b
-Pseudo SSJ2: 4.5 b
-SSJ2 (rage power): 6b

Kibito: 750k

East Kaioshin: 2.5b

Puipui: 1.8m

Yakon: 2.8m

Dabura: 4.5b

Vegeta: 3m
-MSSJ: 3b
-Pseudo SSJ2 (pre majin): 4.5m
-SSJ2 (majin): 6b

Goku: 3m
-MSSJ: 3b
-SSJ2: 6b
-SSJ3: 12b

Gotenks: 7.5b
-MSSJ: 10b

Fat Buu
-initial: 6b
-1st power up (Dabura, Gohan): 8b
-2nd power up (Vegeta, Goku): 11b
-full power (pre split): 20b

Good Buu: 7b

Evil Buu: 13b

Super Buu: 20b

Gotenks (post ROSAT): 10.5b
-MSSJ: 14b
-SSJ3: 21b

Ultimate Gohan: 24b

Buutenks: 43b

Buuccolo: 22b

Buuhan: 46b

Vegetto: 45b
-MSSJ: 60b

Kid Buu: 12b

South Kai: 12b

Buff Buu: 24b

Dai Kai: 4b

West Kai: 2.75b

North Kai: 2.75b

Mister Buu: 8b

 

[Animelover5487]

All SSJs being at 150 mil is dumb. Why would they train for three years if SSJ had an arbitrary limit, knowing that the Androids are much stronger than that.

 

[Hector]

All SSJs being at 150 mil is dumb. Why would they train for three years if SSJ had an arbitrary limit, knowing that the Androids are much stronger than that.

Maybe they didn't know it was an arbitrary limit. Come to think of it, only Vegeta's gains were noted, because he hadn't been a Super Saiyan three years earlier.

 

[Animelover5487]

Maybe they didn't know it was an arbitrary limit. Come to think of it, only Vegeta's gains were noted, because he hadn't been a Super Saiyan three years earlier

Piccolo wonders if him and the Saiyans got too powerful. If Goku wasn't any stronger in his SSJ form and Piccolo and 19/20 were even weaker than that then there would be no question that those aren't the Androids that defeated Trunks.

 

[Animelover5487]

Plus they can obviously sense their own ki and even after being weakened with the heart virus Tien was astonished by Goku's power with Piccolo saying it should be much greater than even that.

There is also no way Vegeta would be so smug if his power wasn't any higher than SSJ Goku and Trunks from three years ago.

 

[GSM123]

If the Saiyans cap out like that there’s no way the humans are that powerful. Like, Kuririn being almost as strong as Yakon? Really?

Cell also took no damage whatsoever from Tenshinhan’s Shin Kikoho, so unless you change the multipliers Tien should definitely be below that.

 

[Hector]

If the Saiyans cap out like that there’s no way the humans are that powerful. Like, Kuririn being almost as strong as Yakon? Really?

Cell also took no damage whatsoever from Tenshinhan’s Shin Kikoho, so unless you change the multipliers Tien should definitely be below that.

Why? Is there evidence that humans can't be close to Yakon?

Maybe only the first kikoho was that strong and Cell took a little damage.

 

[Animelover5487]

Why? Is there evidence that humans can't be close to Yakon?

Shin can one-shot Freeza but was fearful of Yakon. The Earthlings never surpass Freeza.

 

[Hector]

Shin can one-shot Freeza but was fearful of Yakon.

This doesn't make sense anyway.