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Toriyama has recently stated that Majin Boo's himself doesn't know how powerful he is. Goku says that Majin Boo's Chi is like a 'lie', so because of that, he believes Fat Boo is actually greater than himself.
Why is Majin Boo's Chi like a lie? Because he absorbed the Kais and it's proven that they have a weird affect on him. So it's only a reasonable assumption that they would also have a weird effect on his Chi, and make it appear 'like a lie'. So when Boo becomes Pure, then and only then does Goku conform to the idea that he could defeat Majin Boo. Up until that point -Super Boo, Fat Boo, were originally viewed as superior to himself.
As for Gotenks, Goku only made a prediction. Characters are fallible, the author is omniscient. Nothing 'predicted', was ever concluded as fact, literally, nothing. Using characters whom are calling his Chi 'amazing', or 'tremendous', isn't really the building blocks for any sort of foundation for logic -it actually makes zero sense to me.
The Daizenshuu 7 states he was weaker until he leveled up the Super Saiyan states and until he hit the RoSaT -not before, this doesn't contradict anything seen in the Manga either. Herms has also made it clear that Gotenks wasn't sensed from the World Of The Kai's, so the entire basis of him being stronger than Majin Boo, or sensed from the World Of The Kais is best to be taken as a grain of salt -it's never, at any point of the story, confirmed to be true. However, Goku does state -on two separate occasions, that he wanted the younger generation to figure things out 'on way or another'. If Gotenks Pre-ROST was already stronger than Majin Boo then he could just go pummel Boo into oblivion and it would defeat the purpose of Goku's previous statement. So no, Gotenks doesn't have to be stronger by default.
If we move along, we'll notice that Piccolo sent the boys into the RoSaT early, as soon as Super Boo appeared. Why? Well because, this new Majin Boo had a better body for fighting (Like his movie counter-part Janemba), and reached Super Saiyan 3 tier power (like his movie counter-part Janemba). However, the
major difference is that he was able to sense Chi and went immediately to the look-out and put everybody -including Earth's last hope, in danger. They didn't have a few days left to train and Piccolo needed to act on the fly.
It wasn't until Super Boo & Gotenks Ssj3 came outside of the RoSat were they sensed -Gotenks, not beforehand.
Toriyama has stated that the Z-Fighters in Battle of Gods & Dragonball Super were at peak strength in the Majin Boo Saga & could not get any stronger. Therefore this discredits when people try to assume Goku trained in between the Boo Saga & Super/BoG to surpass Gohan &/or Gotenks.
Toriyama has also stated that he re-read the original Japanese Manga. Which is more accurate than the Herms translations -Herms has been uncertain about certain things, so it's almost insulting to think Toriyama
isn't capable of understanding his own language he grew up with.
Yet in Dragonball Super, we have a statement from Vegeta -that doesn't rely on false predictions, that basically says; 'After defeating Majin Boo, Goku became the strongest in the Universe'. This means the only person stronger than Goku beforehand was Majin Boo. Hence why Goku says he needs to 'train and train', just to catch up to him and defeat him during the 10 year break. Vegeta's statement mimics -but is more direct, than the statement about Goku being #1 in the Universe, way back in the Boo Saga. There is a reason the two statements do relate to one another. Because Toriyama re-read the Manga and wanted to make it abundantly clear that Goku was originally intended to be the strongest in the Boo Saga.
There is that original statement & Beerus stating that Goku provided him with the most 'fun', and he never dared mentioned anybody else except Raging Vegeta. 'Fun' is always, synonymous with strength in Dragonball. It stretches way back to Dragonball, Dragonball Z & finally, Dragonball Super.
Toriyama has further stated in another inview that Goku doesn't matter if it's a good guy or bad guy, he wants to be the best and strongest fighter. This means, that even though Gotenks is his half son, or Gohan is his son by blood, he would seek to surpass them, regardless of whether or not they were related. It's also stated that Goku views his family as more like friends, than actual family. I felt the need to post this so people cannot try to counter with the argument; 'Well Goku wouldn't want to fight his family'.
Conclusively, the author -who re-read the original Japanese Manga & wrote several statements in Db Super, versus 'predictions' (like Nostradamus)? Well, I'll have to side with the author on this one. If Goku in Dragonball Super is as powerful as he was in the Boo Saga -as is everyone else, and is stated, on two separate occasions, to be the strongest ... well than, he's just that and always was.
This is essentially how I view the Manga now. I was once a firm believer of Gotenks Ssj Pre > Goku Ssj3 > Fat Boo; however, new material and the author are all stressing just how inaccurate that actually was. It just takes a little research to tie all the loose ends together.
Anyways, this is just my own personal perspective, you do not have to follow it or make fun of it. I'd just like to know what you think of my analysis?
I've put alot of thought into it.
Why is Majin Boo's Chi like a lie? Because he absorbed the Kais and it's proven that they have a weird affect on him. So it's only a reasonable assumption that they would also have a weird effect on his Chi, and make it appear 'like a lie'. So when Boo becomes Pure, then and only then does Goku conform to the idea that he could defeat Majin Boo. Up until that point -Super Boo, Fat Boo, were originally viewed as superior to himself.
As for Gotenks, Goku only made a prediction. Characters are fallible, the author is omniscient. Nothing 'predicted', was ever concluded as fact, literally, nothing. Using characters whom are calling his Chi 'amazing', or 'tremendous', isn't really the building blocks for any sort of foundation for logic -it actually makes zero sense to me.
The Daizenshuu 7 states he was weaker until he leveled up the Super Saiyan states and until he hit the RoSaT -not before, this doesn't contradict anything seen in the Manga either. Herms has also made it clear that Gotenks wasn't sensed from the World Of The Kai's, so the entire basis of him being stronger than Majin Boo, or sensed from the World Of The Kais is best to be taken as a grain of salt -it's never, at any point of the story, confirmed to be true. However, Goku does state -on two separate occasions, that he wanted the younger generation to figure things out 'on way or another'. If Gotenks Pre-ROST was already stronger than Majin Boo then he could just go pummel Boo into oblivion and it would defeat the purpose of Goku's previous statement. So no, Gotenks doesn't have to be stronger by default.
If we move along, we'll notice that Piccolo sent the boys into the RoSaT early, as soon as Super Boo appeared. Why? Well because, this new Majin Boo had a better body for fighting (Like his movie counter-part Janemba), and reached Super Saiyan 3 tier power (like his movie counter-part Janemba). However, the
major difference is that he was able to sense Chi and went immediately to the look-out and put everybody -including Earth's last hope, in danger. They didn't have a few days left to train and Piccolo needed to act on the fly.
It wasn't until Super Boo & Gotenks Ssj3 came outside of the RoSat were they sensed -Gotenks, not beforehand.
Toriyama has stated that the Z-Fighters in Battle of Gods & Dragonball Super were at peak strength in the Majin Boo Saga & could not get any stronger. Therefore this discredits when people try to assume Goku trained in between the Boo Saga & Super/BoG to surpass Gohan &/or Gotenks.
Toriyama has also stated that he re-read the original Japanese Manga. Which is more accurate than the Herms translations -Herms has been uncertain about certain things, so it's almost insulting to think Toriyama
isn't capable of understanding his own language he grew up with.
Yet in Dragonball Super, we have a statement from Vegeta -that doesn't rely on false predictions, that basically says; 'After defeating Majin Boo, Goku became the strongest in the Universe'. This means the only person stronger than Goku beforehand was Majin Boo. Hence why Goku says he needs to 'train and train', just to catch up to him and defeat him during the 10 year break. Vegeta's statement mimics -but is more direct, than the statement about Goku being #1 in the Universe, way back in the Boo Saga. There is a reason the two statements do relate to one another. Because Toriyama re-read the Manga and wanted to make it abundantly clear that Goku was originally intended to be the strongest in the Boo Saga.
There is that original statement & Beerus stating that Goku provided him with the most 'fun', and he never dared mentioned anybody else except Raging Vegeta. 'Fun' is always, synonymous with strength in Dragonball. It stretches way back to Dragonball, Dragonball Z & finally, Dragonball Super.
Toriyama has further stated in another inview that Goku doesn't matter if it's a good guy or bad guy, he wants to be the best and strongest fighter. This means, that even though Gotenks is his half son, or Gohan is his son by blood, he would seek to surpass them, regardless of whether or not they were related. It's also stated that Goku views his family as more like friends, than actual family. I felt the need to post this so people cannot try to counter with the argument; 'Well Goku wouldn't want to fight his family'.
Conclusively, the author -who re-read the original Japanese Manga & wrote several statements in Db Super, versus 'predictions' (like Nostradamus)? Well, I'll have to side with the author on this one. If Goku in Dragonball Super is as powerful as he was in the Boo Saga -as is everyone else, and is stated, on two separate occasions, to be the strongest ... well than, he's just that and always was.
This is essentially how I view the Manga now. I was once a firm believer of Gotenks Ssj Pre > Goku Ssj3 > Fat Boo; however, new material and the author are all stressing just how inaccurate that actually was. It just takes a little research to tie all the loose ends together.
Anyways, this is just my own personal perspective, you do not have to follow it or make fun of it. I'd just like to know what you think of my analysis?
I've put alot of thought into it.
