My Ideas & Personal Perspective On The Boo Saga

[kriss-]

I don't think Toriyama wrote the manga for us to get out calculators and check for "numeric possibilities" for Base Gotenks...or anyone really..

I'd say the gag argument is better. That the intention of the scene was for laughs. Or Gotenks in general is for laughs.

We shouldn't really dismiss anything out of self preference, even if it only has 'a small tone' of seriousness.

The gag came after Gotenks went Super Saiyan, not before-hand.

 

[Lightsworn]

I don't think Toriyama wrote the manga for us to get out calculators and check for "numeric possibilities" for Base Gotenks...or anyone really..

I'd say the gag argument is better. That the intention of the scene was for laughs. Or Gotenks in general is for laughs.

We shouldn't really dismiss anything out of self preference, even if it only has 'a small tone' of seriousness.

The gag came after Gotenks went Super Saiyan, not before-hand.

Piccolo's face palm seemed pretty gaggy

 

[kriss-]

Piccolo only seemed gaggy when the gag actually began; the time when Gotenks begins to use his childish attacks on Super Buu.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

tbh t0sh

whilst i think u are a stupe faker (kind-of; u can be good, too i think)

u still better than him

so ye u right there

i don't mean lightsworn btw

u knw who

 

[Lightsworn]

The scene before could've been a built up for the gag .

 

[p123]

Fuck you that's a lot of work. I'll show you each road block but you gotta work for it.

 

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[kriss-]

Frieza clearly sayys: "I wonder what will happen". The fact remains that Frieza blew past his expectations and really had no idea as to how strong he would become prior to inducing a training regime.

There is really nothing wrong with the predicted 1,300,000 figure -Frieza clearly surpassed it in the end, and by quite a stretch.

 

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[kriss-]

It makes things interesting for Frieza because he is currently wondering how strong he will become. The thrill of the unknown excites him! He is not 100% certain if he can surpass Goku's stated level of power, especially after Goku beat Majin Boo.

Summarily, he predicted 1,300,000 but quite obviously, surpassed that threshold.

 

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It makes things interesting for Frieza because he is currently wondering how strong he will become. The thrill of the unknown excites him! He is not 100% certain if he can surpass Goku's stated level of power, especially after Goku beat Majin Boo.

Summarily, he predicted 1,300,000 but quite obviously, surpassed that threshold.

What you don't understand is, in Frieza arc, Toriyama already gave Frieza a battle power of 530,000 in his first form, and his second he clearly stated he was around 1,000,000. So in FnF, Frieza found out that Goku defeated Majin Buu (who Frieza knows not to get angry), and Frieza said once he goes through training, all of his latent abilities would be released... and the best assumption Frieza can come up with is 1.3 million?

It's clear Toriyama didn't go through and read his previous work (eg. Frieza arc).

 

[kriss-]

Majin Boo was not alive during Frieza's reign so it's impossible for Frieza to determine how strong he would be. For all Frieza knows, Majin Boo could of only had a power level of 250,000,000.

Further-more, Frieza says I wonder what will happen. So he doesn't know what will happen after all his potential is released. All he does is make an estimate and blow infinitely past it.

There really isn't an issue with the stated 1,300,000 unless you make it one.

 

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[kriss-]

Toriyama wouldn't lie for no apparent reason, it really doesn't even seem to be in his character to do so.

You are clearly missing the point of what I am saying. Frieza doesn't know how powerful he will become. He finds the thrill of the unknown to be exciting. So he makes an estimate of how powerful he will become, but it is just that, an estimate. Nothing after Frieza is done training says 'Frieza's power level is 1,300,000'. The feats clearly contradict that. So instead of taking it as a factual power level for Frieza -after training, take it as an estimate that turned out to be wrong in the end.

This doesn't reflect on Toriyama's forgetfulness, all it is is a character being fallible.

 

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Here, Frieza is confident enough that he assumes he could defeat SSj1 Goku (150,000,000).

Frieza saying if he trains to reach 1.3 million makes absolutely no sense.

 

[kriss-]

If King Cold helps Frieza. Sure. Frieza's 1,300,000 battle figure is just a prediction that didn't come true -well it kind of did, but he blew infinitely past it in the end.

I'm still not seeing an issue here.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. Still, it shows he believed Base Gotenks post>SSJ Gotenks pre, since those two were not ''like a lie'' and
Piccolo felt Base post as greater than SSJ pre.

Actually, I over-looked my power levels and do have Gotenks Base Post > Gotenks Ssj Pre. But I also use lower multipliers. Goku Ssj3 is still stronger than Gotenks Ssj3 Post who in turn is stronger than Super Boo.

Further-more, I am going to do some more thinking and decide what to make of the Base Post > Ssj Pre thing, but at the moment, that's what I am currently following.

I also had another theory. That the more 'perfect' the fusion dance is performed, the
better the sum. Meaning the kids don't have to get 'that' much stronger for a stronger fusion result, they just need to perfect the technique. Piccolo notices that the dance was performed perfectly and comments on this. Which could possibly be the reason he reacted the way he did. Gotenks Base-Post never even powered up or attacked when he stated what he did. So it's a long shot for the quote to actually be true.

Once Gotenks Base-Post does attack, Piccolo contradicts his statement.

I agree that SSJ is a lower boost for fusions and that fusion multiplier increased after spirit room. The thing is,
how will you make...

SSJ pre< Base post< SSJ post < SSJ2 post< SSJ3 post < SSJ3 Goku

You must give Goku's SSJ3 a huge multiplier or have Goku's/Vegeta's SSJ2 surpassing most Gotenkses, but
it wouldn't make sense if Gotenks is that weak.

 

[kriss-]

Gotenks never showed that he had Super Saiyan 2 -so that's excluded. Nothing dictates that to reach Ssj3, Ssj2 is required. GT has no problem lowering the multipliers hugely and neither do I. I am simply tying in new material with the old stuff and finding a space in between.

For example:

Kid Boo ~ 42
Ultimate Gohan ~ 42
Goku Ssj3 ~ 40
Buff Boo ~ 38
Gotenks Ssj3 Post ~ 36
Super Boo ~ 32
Gotenks Ssj Post ~ 24
Gotenks Base Post ~ 16
Fat Boo ~ 15
Gotenks Ssj Pre ~ 15
Majin Vegeta ~ 10
Gotenks Base Pre ~ 10
Teen Gohan ~ 6

Hate me or love, it's just my own opinion.

 

[p123]

Even if Gotenks doesn't have Ssj2 it doesn't mean his SSJ3 would be any less of a boost if he did.

 

[kriss-]

Even if Gotenks doesn't have Ssj2 it doesn't mean his SSJ3 would be any less of a boost if he did.

Nice hypothetical. But hypothetical's do not dictate logic.