My "kaioken-is-additive" theory.

[Hector]

Here is how it can work, for lower SSJ multipliers.

SAIYAN SAGA​

Goku: 8.000 (each kaioken adds 4.5000 units)
-kaioken 1x: 12.500
-kaioken 2x: 17.000
-kaioken 3x: 21.500

Vegeta: 18.500

FREEZA SAGA​

Goku: 80.000 (each kaioken adds 100.000 units)
-1x kaioken: 180.000

Goku (post zenkai): 3.000.000
-10x kaioken: 4.000.000
-20x kaioken: 5.000.000

Freeza 50%: 5.500.000

Freeza 100%: 11.000.000

SSJ Goku (4x base): 12.000.000

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[Zippy]

Its a multiplier as said everywhere

 

[Hector]

Its a multiplier as said everywhere

 

[sei'taer]

Also kaio-ken and kaio-ken 2 are the same thing.

 

[Hector]

Also kaio-ken and kaio-ken 2 are the same thing.

No.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Kaioken x1 doesn't exist. Also the whole Kaioken additive theory doesn't make sense as the narrator states that not even Goku doubling his strength through the Kaioken was enough to stop Vegeta, plus, Vegeta's power was officially 18,000 as stated in the story and not 18,500.

 

[sei'taer]

No.

Kaio-ken doubles your power, so no matter which way goku says it, it's the same.

 

[Hector]

Kaioken x1 doesn't exist. Also the whole Kaioken additive theory doesn't make sense as the narrator states that not even Goku doubling his strength through the Kaioken was enough to stop Vegeta, plus, Vegeta's power was officially 18,000 as stated in the story and not 18,500.

 

[SSJ2]

Kaioken x1 doesn't exist. Also the whole Kaioken additive theory doesn't make sense as the narrator states that not even Goku doubling his strength through the Kaioken was enough to stop Vegeta, plus, Vegeta's power was officially 18,000 as stated in the story and not 18,500.

Agreed with everything aside from Vegeta being stated to be 18,000.

Dodoria: "Th... this can't be...!! H... his battle power was barely 18,000..."
Freeza: “That shouldn’t be a surprise. It’s all because Vegeta’s been ceaselessly fighting on the front lines. Perhaps he’s caught on to something new on Earth. It’s merely 24,000. That’s a figure that you two would be more than able to win against if you fought together, is it not? Fufufu…”

He was already 18k before "fighting on the front lines." It makes sense for him to have surpassed that level by a bit by the time he got to earth.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Kaioken is not additive.

 

[Hector]

Kaioken is not additive.

I don't see why it can't be.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I don't see why it can't be

It's literally stated to be x2, x3, x4, x10, x20.

 

[Hector]

It's literally stated to be x2, x3, x4, x10, x20.

It is stated when the narrator says that not even Goku doubling his power could stop Vegeta, before Vegeta powering up. However, if that's true, then Vegeta pre power up should be already above 16k, which makes little sense, considering his full power was 18k. After such an impressive power up, he became only 10% stronger?

 

[FeatsofPower]

It is stated when the narrator says that not even Goku doubling his power could stop Vegeta, before Vegeta powering up. However, if that's true, then Vegeta pre power up should be already above 16k, which makes little sense, considering his full power was 18k. After such an impressive power up, he became only 10% stronger?

Yes, you've overestimated domination gaps.

A 1.1x boost is enough to completely wreck havoc on another fighter. We see it in the Freeza Saga as well, where Ginyu powers up against Goku with a 1.1x boost as well and Goku freaks out.

 

[Hector]

Yes, you've overestimated domination gaps.

A 1.1x boost is enough to completely wreck havoc on another fighter. We see it in the Freeza Saga as well, where Ginyu powers up against Goku with a 1.1x boost as well and Goku freaks out.

Goku freaked out because he hadn't expected Ginyu could power up to begin with.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

It is stated when the narrator says that not even Goku doubling his power could stop Vegeta, before Vegeta powering up. However, if that's true, then Vegeta pre power up should be already above 16k, which makes little sense, considering his full power was 18k. After such an impressive power up, he became only 10% stronger?

Or maybe Vegeta was close to full power.

 

[Hector]

Or maybe Vegeta was close to full power.

Then AT wouldn't have made that power up look like such a big deal.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Then AT wouldn't have made that power up look like such a big deal.

A big deal? Because of what? Because it shook the Earth? We've already seen someone doing that before.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Then AT wouldn't have made that power up look like such a big deal.

But that's your personal preference, the author made his point clear. You are refusing to accept reality here.

 

[Hector]

But that's your personal preference, the author made his point clear. You are refusing to accept reality here.

I'm pretty sure AT had in mind more something like...

Goku (1x kaioken): 12.000
Initial Vegeta: 12.000
Goku (2x kaioken): 16.000
FP Vegeta: 18.000