Nail vs. Recoome

[Jerk Store]

Vegeta PL is greater than Gaybon by extra 1-2k.

According to who?

What? Zarbon's PL was never gave in the manga or anime.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

According to who?

What? Zarbon's PL was never gave in the manga or anime.

It was implied somewhere that Vegeta and Cui [Cui forbid] that they're both rivals and so that puts them to 18k together and Vegeta [Post Zenkai] was stated to be 24k which is greater than Zarbon and Dodoria so both of them could be above 20k but below 24k.

 

[Jerk Store]

What? Zarbon's PL was never gave in the manga or anime.

It was implied somewhere that Vegeta and Cui [Cui forbid] that they're both rivals and so that puts them to 18k together and Vegeta [Post Zenkai] was stated to be 24k which is greater than Zarbon and Dodoria so both of them could be above 20k but below 24k.

What does that have to do with Zarbon Vs. Vegeta 2?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

What? Zarbon's PL was never gave in the manga or anime.

It was implied somewhere that Vegeta and Cui [Cui forbid] that they're both rivals and so that puts them to 18k together and Vegeta [Post Zenkai] was stated to be 24k which is greater than Zarbon and Dodoria so both of them could be above 20k but below 24k.

What does that have to do with Zarbon Vs. Vegeta 2?

I was talking about their first fight where a few extra thousand makes a difference.

 

[Jerk Store]

It was implied somewhere that Vegeta and Cui [Cui forbid] that they're both rivals and so that puts them to 18k together and Vegeta [Post Zenkai] was stated to be 24k which is greater than Zarbon and Dodoria so both of them could be above 20k but below 24k.

What does that have to do with Zarbon Vs. Vegeta 2?

I was talking about their first fight where a few extra thousand makes a difference.

They were also under 30,000, much less in the 40,000's.

The higher your PL is the larger the gaps for that become. Someone who is 100,000 wouldn't lose to someone who is 103,000 just cause of 3,000 difference alone. Someone who is 200 would lose to someone who is 250 though. Smaller gap cause the ki is smaller overall.

Skill, durability, and other factors come into play as well. It's not always just about power.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

What does that have to do with Zarbon Vs. Vegeta 2?

I was talking about their first fight where a few extra thousand makes a difference.

They were also under 30,000, much less in the 40,000's.

The higher your PL is the larger the gaps for that become. Someone who is 100,000 wouldn't lose to someone who is 103,000 just cause of 3,000 difference alone. Someone who is 200 would lose to someone who is 250 though. Smaller gap cause the ki is smaller overall.

Skill, durability, and other factors come into play as well. It's not always just about power.

Hence, Zarbon and Dodoria's PL are debatable, they shouldn't be anywhere near at Vegeta's PL unless they dropped their yuki when they fought which made the fight in Vegeta's favour.

 

[Tapion]

28,000 for Vegeta seems kinda too low.

Nah. It fits with his even fight with Zarbon and Jeice's statement, which is "close to 30,000"

 

[Pakl]

Its 30k... The Daizenshuu also rounds it up to 30k

Vegeta had the edge on Zarbon who should be almost 30k like 29k....

 

[Tapion]

The manga disagrees with the Daizenshuu, which means it is wrong. End of discussion.
Vegeta did not have any edge on Zarbon. He needed to throw sand at Zarbon's eyes just to gain the upper hand. And Zarbon being 30k is nothing but your opinion which is debunked by Jeice's statement

 

[Papasmurf]

Zarbon shat himself when Vegeta revealed he had a zenkai and he derides Zarbon as "the likes of you" after he kills him, so I think Vegeta was close to Zarbon, but slightly superior. He couldn't use the medical chamber anymore and had to keep his eyes on Kuririn to make sure he doesn't escape with the Dragon Ball, so that's a good enough reason for him to resort to a cheap shot to finish it quickly imo.

 

[Tapion]

Zarbon shat himself when Vegeta revealed he had a zenkai and he derides Zarbon as "the likes of you" after he kills him, so I think Vegeta was close to Zarbon, but slightly superior. He couldn't use the medical chamber anymore and had to keep his eyes on Kuririn to make sure he doesn't escape with the Dragon Ball, so that's a good enough reason for him to resort to a cheap shot to finish it quickly imo.

Zarbon shat himself because he thought the zenkai would be as big as it was before, ergo 24k to 32k, but he was proven wrong once they fought for a little. Vegeta's quote is to humiliate Zarbon after he is defeated imo, but it doesn't mean he is that much above. I see them as equals

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I was so hyped when I watch them fight again round 2 FTFT.

 

[Papasmurf]

Zarbon shat himself when Vegeta revealed he had a zenkai and he derides Zarbon as "the likes of you" after he kills him, so I think Vegeta was close to Zarbon, but slightly superior. He couldn't use the medical chamber anymore and had to keep his eyes on Kuririn to make sure he doesn't escape with the Dragon Ball, so that's a good enough reason for him to resort to a cheap shot to finish it quickly imo.

Zarbon shat himself because he thought the zenkai would be as big as it was before, ergo 24k to 32k, but he was proven wrong once they fought for a little. Vegeta's quote is to humiliate Zarbon after he is defeated imo, but it doesn't mean he is that much above. I see them as equals

Vegeta's quick to acknowledge a slightly weaker Trunks as a great power and didn't exactly underestimate Zarbon, so if he doesn't think he's that much, I don't see them as being equal imo. Vegeta rarely derides an equal opponent that way, such as when he had great trouble against a Cell Jr. who was evenly matched against him. Plus, nothing really implies it was a small zenkai compared to the others, Kuririn even says Vegeta's strength rose greatly.

 

[Tapion]

Zarbon shat himself when Vegeta revealed he had a zenkai and he derides Zarbon as "the likes of you" after he kills him, so I think Vegeta was close to Zarbon, but slightly superior. He couldn't use the medical chamber anymore and had to keep his eyes on Kuririn to make sure he doesn't escape with the Dragon Ball, so that's a good enough reason for him to resort to a cheap shot to finish it quickly imo.

Zarbon shat himself because he thought the zenkai would be as big as it was before, ergo 24k to 32k, but he was proven wrong once they fought for a little. Vegeta's quote is to humiliate Zarbon after he is defeated imo, but it doesn't mean he is that much above. I see them as equals

Vegeta's quick to acknowledge a slightly weaker Trunks as a great power and didn't exactly underestimate Zarbon, so if he doesn't think he's that much, I don't see them as being equal imo. Vegeta rarely derides an equal opponent that way, such as when he had great trouble against a Cell Jr. who was evenly matched against him. Plus, nothing really implies it was a small zenkai compared to the others, Kuririn even says Vegeta's strength rose greatly.

I've just read the Viz version of the fight, and i think the context implies that Vegeta said Zarbon wasn't much as a response to all the humiliation he suffered from Zarbon before. I don't know if this is a vizism, but Vegeta says in Viz that "after you treated me like a slave for all those years? Don't make me laugh, Zarbon" in response to Zarbon wanting to team up with him to defeat Freeza, and then he mocks Zarbon after he is dead, saying he wasn't much. Also, Zarbon's ki was starting to lower due to the fact that Vegeta managed to strike him with a barrage of ki blasts. The fight also contradicts Vegeta's statement anyway, since Vegeta had a lot of trouble handling Zarbon and only managed to do it once he threw sand on his eyes.

About the zenkai, yes, it was a small zenkai compared to the other one. Vegeta went from 18.000 to 24.000 after his Earth Zenkai, which is a 33.33% increase, but when he recovered from Zarbon's beating, he only went from 24.000 to 29.000 at best, which is a 20.6% increase.

 

[Papasmurf]

The context was that the likes of Zarbon would be of no help at all even if they teamed up, and if Vegeta thought highly of Zarbon's abilities at the time, that wouldn't have been said. After Dodoria was beaten Vegeta marveled at the feat saying he defeated the all-powerful Dodoria, so if Zarbon was equal or stronger, I think Vegeta would've hyped his power more. He's strong enough to be a threat without Vegeta taking a cheap shot, yes, but all things considered he seems slightly weaker at best.

It was still considered a significant boost in the context of the story, enough to shock Kuririn and terrify Zarbon, so I don't think Zarbon overestimated Vegeta here, but knew he was outmatched.

 

[Tapion]

The context was that the likes of Zarbon would be of no help at all even if they teamed up, and if Vegeta thought highly of Zarbon's abilities at the time, that wouldn't have been said. After Dodoria was beaten Vegeta marveled at the feat saying he defeated the all-powerful Dodoria, so if Zarbon was equal or stronger, I think Vegeta would've hyped his power more. He's strong enough to be a threat without Vegeta taking a cheap shot, yes, but all things considered he seems slightly weaker at best.

It was still considered a significant boost in the context of the story, enough to shock Kuririn and terrify Zarbon, so I don't think Zarbon overestimated Vegeta here, but knew he was outmatched.

Vegeta didn't think highly of Zarbon's abilities cause he took him out quickly with the cheap sand trick*. Once Zarbon attacked him, Vegeta dodged and then immediately caught the sand and threw it on his eyes. Zarbon didn't have much chance to prove himself, and as i said before, Zarbon's ki had been lowered due to the fact Vegeta attacked him with a barrage of ki blasts and he was blinded. Even Vegeta himself said so. Zarbon was terrified with the fact that Vegeta had a zenkai because his power was lowered and he didn't know of zenkais, he thought Vegeta had the same strength as before and that the sand trick was merely a lucky shot, so once he learned Vegeta was more powerful than when they last fought, coupled with the fact that his own ki was lowering, he had reason to be terrified.

I agree that the boost is significant, but that is not my point. Zarbon was above Vegeta in their first, the zenkai boost made them equal in my opinion.

 

[Papasmurf]

Like I said, Vegeta had to worry about Kuririn escaping with the last Dragon Ball on top of Zarbon being fairly close to him in power, so it's understandable that he'd use a cheap shot to get things done quickly. While Zarbon badly outmatched Vegeta the last time they fought, he was still knocked back by a full force punch from him and looked mildly hurt by his punch, so the resulting zenkai putting his power above Zarbon's isn't illogical, he also compares the Ginyu Force agents' power to his saying they're as great as his power or greater, and with him using that as a measuring stick as opposed to Zarbon, I'd think he does consider himself superior, just not by enough to make it an easy win.

This is also getting off topic, but ok

 

[Tapion]

To be fair i agree that Vegeta is a little stronger. I concede.