Natasha's DBS FNF ~ TOP arc bp

[Natasha Romanoff]

This list is made based on this (giving continuation to it):

Natasha's DBS BOG Power Levels List 2023

Goku: 42.750.000.000 ~SSJ: 2.137.500.000.000 ~SSJ2: 6.412.500.000.000 ~SSJ3: 25.650.000.000.000 Vegeta: 42.750.000.000 ~SSJ: 2.137.500.000.000 ~SSJ2: 6.412.500.000.000 Ultimate Gohan: 23.439.300.000.000 Buu: 1.496.250.000.000 Goten 950.000.000 SSj 47.500.000.000 Trunks 950.000.000 SSj...

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Things that I consider PIS such as Trunks Genki Sword or Final Form Freeza vs Dyspo wouldn't be included. Also characters that are unquantifiable either such as Infinite Zamasu or the angels.

EDIT: as Future Trunks vs Dabura was barely seen on screen, I decided to not include it as we have vaguely information of it.

Beerus' estimated power level will be included in the next DBS: Broly section. I think that he and Champa are either equals or Champa is 98% of Beerus.

Belmod and Sidra are levels that I don't have a personal guess to go with, although, they're stronger than SSJB Goku & Golden Freeza for sure.

Fukkatsu no F

Vegeta (pre Whis training)
~Base 213.750.000.000
~SSJ 10.687.500.000.000
~SSJ2 32.062.500.000.000

Vegeta (during Whis training)
~Base 224.800.000.000
~SSJ 11.240.000.000.000
~SSJ2 33.720.000.000.000

Vegeta (after Whis training)
~Base 226.000.000.000
~SSJB: 4.068.000.000.000.000

Goku (after Whis training)
~Base 226.000.000.000
~SSJB: 3.390.000.000.000.000
~FP: 4.068.000.000.000.000

Freeza
~Final Form 225.000.000.000
~Golden 3.729.000.000.000.000
~FP 4.474.800.000.000.000
~Tired 1.564.000.000.000.000

Champa arc

Goku (after 3 years of training)
~Base: 248.600.000.000
~SSJB: 4.474.800.000.000.000
~Kaioken x10: 44.748.000.000.000.000

Vegeta (after 3 years of training)
~Base: 248.600.000.000
~SSJB: 4.474.800.000.000.000

Expected Monaka: 4.520.000.000.000.000

Hit
~Initial: 4.385.304.000.000.000
~0.2 seconds: 5.222.580.000.000.000
~0.5 seconds: 5.539.000.000.000.000
~Time skip extended: 9.397.080.000.000.000
~Assasin techniques: 13,424,400,000,000,000


Goku Black arc

Goku Black: 38.020.500.000.000

Future Trunks
~Base: 198.800.000.000
~SSJ2: 29.820.000.000.000

Goku (sandbagging with Trunks)
~Base: 199.000.000.000
~SSJ2: 29.850.000.000.000
~SSJ3: 119.400.000.000.000

Actual Goku
~Base: 248.600.000.000
~SSJ2: 37.290.000.000.000

Goku Black: 37.290.000.000.000

Present Zamasu: 29.800.000.000.000

Vegeta
SSJB: 4.475.000.000.000.000

Goku
SSJB: 4.475.000.000.000.000

Goku Black
Base: 111.875.000.000.000
SSJR: 5.593.750.000.000.000


Future Zamasu: 4.251.250.000.000.000

Goku (second coming)
SSJB: 4.480.000.000.000.000
Enraged: 5.600.000.000.000.000

Goku Black (1st zenkai): 14.560.000.000.000.000

SSJ Rage Trunks: 14.500.000.000.000.000

Vegeta SSJB: 18.564.000.000.000.000

Goku Black (Enraged): 23.669.100.000.000.000

Merged Zamasu
Initial: 27.920.350.000.000.000
Toying with the saiyans: 23.250.000.000.000.000
Vs Goku: 6.720.000.000.000.000
Powered up: 705.600.000.000.000.000
Vs Vegetto (lost of speed): 576.000.000.000.000.000

Vegetto
SSJB: 720.000.000.000.000.000

Hit mini arc

Goku
SSJB: 13,424,400,000,000,000

Hit
~Holding back: 14,766,840,000,000,000
~Full effort: 19,062,648,000,000,000

Zen Exhibition Match:

Good Buu: 1.496.250.000.000

Basil: 997.500.000.000
~Drugged: 1.425.000.000.000

Gohan 5.225.000.000
SSj Gohan 261.250.000.000

Lavenda: 5.225.000.000

Bergamo: 3.000.000.000.000

Goku (Heavily Suppressed)
Base: 100.000.000
SSJ: 5.000.000.000
SSJB: 1.800.000.000.000
Kaioken: 3.600.000.000.000

Goku (vs Toppo)
Base: 678.000.000.000
SSJ: 33,900,000,000,000
SSJB: 12.204.000.000.000.000
Kaioken: 24,408,000,000,000,000

Toppo
FP Base: 12.204.000.000.000.000
Toying with SSJ Goku: 50,850,000,000,000
Bear Hug: 10.170.000.000.000.000
Red aura: 24,408,000,000,000,000

Recruitment arc

Krillin
~FP: 4.475.000

Fit Buu: 678.000.000.000

Goku
~Base: 678.000.000.000

Android 17
~Holding back with SSJ Goku: 47,460,000,000,000
~Holding back with SSJB Goku: 4.520.000.000.000.000

Goku
~SSJ: 33,900,000,000,000
~SSJB (suppressed): 4.520.000.000.000.000

Gohan
~Base 5.225.000.000
~SSJ 261.250.000.000
~SSJ2 783.750.000.000
~Ultimate: 4.520.000.000.000.000

Piccolo: 783.750.000.000

Goku
~SSJ2: 101,700,000,000,000
~SSJB: 4.520.000.000.000.000
~Kaioken: 9.040.000.000.000.000

Ultimate Gohan (vs Goku)
~VS SSJ2 Goku: 111.870.000.000.000
~FP: 4.520.000.000.000.000

Freeza
~Golden: 19.790.000.000.000.000

Goku (after training with Whis)
~SSJB: 18.306.000.000.000.000

Tournament of Power

Dyspo (speed): 16.623.945.000.000.000

Hit
~Pre adaptation: 14.776.840.000.000.000
~Post adaptation: 16.623.945.000.000.000

Goku (vs Dyspo)
SSJG: 6.102.000.000.000.000
SSJB (suppressed): 15.255.000.000.000.000

Goku (vs Jiren)
~SSJB: 18.306.000.000.000.000
~Kaioken x20: 366.120.000.000.000.000
~Genkidama: 659.016.000.000.000.000
~UI: 915.300.000.000.000

Jiren (Suppressed): 915.300.000.000.000.000

Hit
~Vs Jiren: 402.372.000.000.000.000

Vegeta
~SSJB: 17.990.000.000.000.000

Toppo
~Base: 17.990.000.000.000.000

Goku
~SSJG (Tired): 4.881.600.000.000.000
~SSJB: 14.644.800.000.000.000
~Kaioken: 29.289.600.000.000.000
~UI (improving): 1.098.360.000.000.000.000

Kefla
-Base: 6.102.000.000.000.000
-SSJ (initial): 14.644.800.000.000.000
-SSJ (after improving): 659.016.000.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 724.917.600.000.000

Aniraza: 411.855.000.000.000.000

U7 vs U11

Goku
~SSJB: 18.306.000.000.000.000

Vegeta
~SSJB: 17.990.000.000.000.000

Jiren (Holding back against Vegeta): 21.558.000.000.000.000

Toppo
~Base: 17.990.000.000.000.000

Gohan
~Ultimate: 14.392.000.000.000.000

Android 17
~FP: 14.392.000.000.000.000

Goku (Episode 123)
~SSJB: 21.976.200.000.000.000
~Kaioken x20: 439.344.000.000.000.000

Vegeta
~SSJBE: 359.800.000.000.000.000

Jiren (Episode 123)
~Powered up; 976.320.000.000.000.000

Freeza
~Golden: 19.790.000.000.000.000

Dyspo (Final technique)
~Power level: 29.685.000.000.000.000

Toppo
~Base FP: 19.189.000.000.000.000
~God of Destruction : 440.750.000.000.000.000

Vegeta
~SSJBE Enraged: 449.750.000.000.000.000

Jiren (powered up 127)
~Power level: 1.037.340.000.000.000.000

UI Goku
~Power level: 1.098.360.000.000.000.000

Jiren
~Full Power: 1.220.400.000.000.000.000

MUI Goku
~Initial: 1.627.200.000.000.000.000
~speed up: 1.830.600.000.000.000.000

Jiren
~Hidden power: 1.708.560.000.000.000.000

Freeza
~Base (Tired): 1.017.000.000.000
~Golden: 19.790.000.000.000.000


Jiren
~Tired: 20.780.000.000.000.000
~After receiving a blast: 1.037.340.000.000

Android 17: 960.000.000.000

Base Goku: 1.017.000.000.000

Goku
~SSJB: 22.487.500.000.000.000

Vegeta
~SSJB: 22.487.500.000.000.000

 

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[GreatSaiyaman123]

So you don't think Goku absorbed SSJG permanently in BoG?

I'd like to see you add Piccolo and the rest of U6 in the Champa Saga, and the Saiyan girls (Caulifla, Controlled LSSJ Kale and Kefla) in the ToP.

Future Zamasu isn't that strong. The only thing keeping him alive in those fights was immortality, otherwise even Trunks would have killed him. I think it's on the 2nd trip that Goku punches his head off.

Aren't Gohan and 17 too weak? Gohan was said to rival Goku and 17 was holding his own with Toppo, but you have them at not even 1/10th of Goku's power. I think if you made them both 10x stronger it would be better.

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What do you think of the list?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

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I don't think Goku kept permanently the power of SSJG after BoG in SSJ, with too many contradictions that Toei made in the anime makes this notion as something quite difficult to keep up with.

As for Piccolo, I think he's quite a problem as he came from being tanked and oneshotted one arc prior to be relevant to the Base Saiyans after training with Gohan. Unless we can think that Goku was suppressed abnormally initially, I don't think there's anything to do, also I actually don't know the percent Freeza was using on him in his Final Form.

I tried my best when it comes to quantify the rest of U6 aside from Hit, but nothing actually worked. At best, we have many different scenes which contradicts one moment to other, questionable statements and a lot of contradictions.

I think SSJ2 Trunks was a PIS during that episode and keep being it even after the arc finished, also I don't think being immortal increase that high the capacity of the users; an immortal Vegeta from Namek Saga wouldn't be able to keep up with Namek 100% Freeza for example. Zamasu was even able to push back SSJB Vegeta which was overpowering a Goku Black that 1 to 2 shotted Enraged Goku.

In Gohan and 17's case, well, I think, Gohan could've gotten stronger as Vegeta said that saiyans kept getting stronger showing Gohan on that scene, and also 17 is keeping up with Gohan. Having say that there's a room for interpretation as to:

Gohan & 17 pre ToP < RoF Golden Freeza < Gohan & 17 ToP < ToP Golden Freeza

Goku was said to rival gods, yet Kaioken x20 can't stand up to Jiren. So, I find that not viable. And when it comes to Toppo, maybe he either got weaker from not believing in justice anymore (since 104) or his battle power doesn't increase that much from using that red aura. Also 17 holding off Toppo's energy blast seems similar as to how SSJ2 Gohan held off SPC's Kamehameha having less than 50%. But, I have to correct those ones.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I'm starting to re-edit this list, next comes to Broly & Super Hero.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think you should add Goku vs Kefla this time.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I think you should add Goku vs Kefla this time.

Could I tell you the truth?

I've always consider her #3 in the tournament, however, considering how much hate is given to her, I thought that adding her would make my list to not be taken objectively and would get a lot of hate too which is why I feared to introduce her.

I just don't think there's good evidence enough to fight the idea of she being #3 in the tournament other than using mental gymnastics or taking statements out of context.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Edited a level from Merged Zamasu.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Could I tell you the truth?

I've always consider her #3 in the tournament, however, considering how much hate is given to her, I thought that adding her would make my list to not be taken objectively and would get a lot of hate too which is why I feared to introduce her.

I just don't think there's good evidence enough to fight the idea of she being #3 in the tournament other than using mental gymnastics or taking statements out of context.

I change my mind a lot about Kefla, but right now I agree she’s third best.

Kefla made Goku activate UIO and could’ve beaten him with SSJ2. It’s also suggested she might be stronger than Vegetto and Zamasu.

Sure, Toppo changed the World of Void and was considered a Hakaishin, but that’s moot. He’s clearly still weaker than most GoDs and affecting environment is always inconsistent. FP Jiren doesn’t change the WoV like Toppo does. It’s just something specific to Hakai energy.

As far as objective feats go, Toppo lost to a secondary character in a weaker form. He is Vegeta’s opponent and scales to Vegeta’s inferior power, while Kefla fights the far stronger Goku and thus scales to him.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I change my mind a lot about Kefla, but right now I agree she’s third best.

Kefla made Goku activate UIO and could’ve beaten him with SSJ2. It’s also suggested she might be stronger than Vegetto and Zamasu.

Sure, Toppo changed the World of Void and was considered a Hakaishin, but that’s moot. He’s clearly still weaker than most GoDs and affecting environment is always inconsistent. FP Jiren doesn’t change the WoV like Toppo does. It’s just something specific to Hakai energy.

As far as objective feats go, Toppo lost to a secondary character in a weaker form. He is Vegeta’s opponent and scales to Vegeta’s inferior power, while Kefla fights the far stronger Goku and thus scales to him.

Also Vegeta managed to destroy the massive energy ball from Toppo, so it's not weird to think that Kefla could overpower him with an amplified blast too.

God Toppo demolished SSJB tier fighters like Golden Freeza and 17, sure, but that's really impressive? Kefla in just SSJ with one kick defeated SSJB Kaioken Goku, even if his stamina was low, the fact that she's already comparable to the Genkidama (as stated by Whis) says it all. Aside from that, God Toppo was stronger than SSJBE Vegeta at the beginning, sure, but neither Vegeta nor Toppo surpasses themselves by a far stretch, and they can at most be scaled slightly better than SSJB Kaioken x20 Goku from that time, which means they're rivals to SSJ Kefla or at most can be slightly stronger, SSJ2 gap over SSJ is tremendous, so no way they can compare with her neither Aniraza does.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Finished the list.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Just got to check it now, focusing more on the ToP.

The Genki-Dama could be a bit higher. Maybe 1.5 or 2x Goku. That not only was his ultimate technique, but it also kept absorbing more power in the struggle. Being hit by the Genki-Dama made Goku surpass his limits twice, it should be well beyond his full power.

You don’t have LSSJ Kale > SSJB Goku, right? That makes sense. Her power is very confusing, Jiren respects her but also implies he’s not needed to fight her again when he leaves to meditate.

I think you’re right about Base Vegeto being so weak. DBS Broly makes me think base fusion is SSJB tier, but if MZ Base Vegetto is SSJB tier that’s too much bloat.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

The Genki-Dama could be a bit higher. Maybe 1.5 or 2x Goku. That not only was his ultimate technique, but it also kept absorbing more power in the struggle. Being hit by the Genki-Dama made Goku surpass his limits twice, it should be well beyond his full power.

I was trying to equate the Genkidama on Namek with the TOP Genkidama, but hadn't thought about that.

You don’t have LSSJ Kale > SSJB Goku, right? That makes sense. Her power is very confusing, Jiren respects her but also implies he’s not needed to fight her again when he leaves to meditate.

Definitely not. She ain't even able to scratch SSJ2 Goku.

I think you’re right about Base Vegeto being so weak. DBS Broly makes me think base fusion is SSJB tier, but if MZ Base Vegetto is SSJB tier that’s too much bloat.

Actually, I have SSjB as a 18.000x multiplier for regular saiyans while a 11.46x multiplier for fused characters:

Natasha's Super Hero & Broly Power Levels DBS

I personally consider that Golden Freeza vs Broly lasting 1 hour is a gag to make time so Gogeta can appear and it's not a valid feat. I go with Gohan being pissweak during Super Hero, but his Ultimate surpassed everything he was previously before of that. As for Cell Max, I think it make more...

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So Base Vegetto's (Zamasu Saga) estimated level should be 62.836.363.636.363.630 which is higher that of many participants in the TOP.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I was trying to equate the Genkidama on Namek with the TOP Genkidama, but hadn't thought about that.

But that’s too low for the Namek Genki-Dama too. Freeza was very injured and almost died.

If KKx20 Goku is a 1, I think both Genki-Damas are 1.5, but the ToP one swells up to 2.

So Base Vegetto's (Zamasu Saga) estimated level should be 62.836.363.636.363.630 which is higher that of many participants in the TOP.

I’ve been trying to use the same multipliers for everyone, but it’s possible Gogeta and Vegetto are inconsistent. That or SSJB Gogeta is a million times stronger than Broly.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

But that’s too low for the Namek Genki-Dama too. Freeza was very injured and almost died.

50% Freeza = 50
Genkidama = 60

Why shouldn't this be the case? How does it quantify "nearly dying" if Vegeta also thought he was going to die against the Genkidama and he could have represented a good portion of that power?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I’ve been trying to use the same multipliers for everyone, but it’s possible Gogeta and Vegetto are inconsistent. That or SSJB Gogeta is a million times stronger than Broly.

Who knows? DBS Broly scalling is simply too way off.

SSJ Gogeta would have been defeated in one punch from SSJFP Broly yet he survived him.