Natasha's Personal Analysis of SSJ2 Gohan vs Dabura (Anime)

[Hector]

@Hector


And even then you deny all of the statements refering to power just to add your subjective opinion on it, which is the case on here. Gohan was at full effort and full ki/power, I don't know how this benefit your case at all.

Are you playing stupid or something?

Isn't all of Vegeta's expressions supposed to tell us that Gohan against Kibito is as strong as Gohan against Dabura?

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You have to be blind to have not realized Vegeta's attitude towards the whole fight with Gohan and Dabura.

To me, it sounds like Vegeta judged ki against Kibito (he had greater ki against Cell) and effort against Dabura (he fights like an idiot; seems he's gotten rusty).

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

To me, it sounds like Vegeta judged ki against Kibito (he had greater ki against Cell) and effort against Dabura (he fights like an idiot; seems he's gotten rusty).

In both instances he states the same (Gohan was weaker when he was a kid).

 

[Pakl]

Gohan is a Super Saiyan. That’s all he’s ever referenced as against Dabura, he cannot change at will and presumably had to be angry to transform at the Budokai but it’s inconsistent.
If you assume Gohan is a Super Saiyan from Dabura on, it makes a lot more sense. Literally no flaws.

Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta should dominate Dabura and Gohan combined easily.

Super Saiyan 2
"After growing up, he was able to freely change into a Super Saiyan 2 state at his own will."

This is from the Anime guide though. Gohan was. a SSjin in the Manga but SSjin 2 in the Anime.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Gohan certainly cannot change into Super Saiyan 2 of his own will in the manga. Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 seems to be directly tied to his anger, he was angry enough to transform against Kibito, but not enough against Dabura.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Gohan certainly cannot change into Super Saiyan 2 of his own will in the manga. Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 seems to be directly tied to his anger, he was angry enough to transform against Kibito, but not enough against Dabura.

This is a thread refered to the Anime.

 

[Hector]

In both instances he states the same (Gohan was weaker when he was a kid).

The context is different. In the first case, Gohan is just standing still, and Vegeta is judging his chi output. In the second case, he seems disappointed by Gohan's overall performance in the fight.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

The context is different. In the first case, Gohan is just standing still, and Vegeta is judging his chi output. In the second case, he seems disappointed by Gohan's overall performance in the fight.

Which difference it exists between ki standing and fighting ki? I've seen many theories about this, but nothing that come close to be realistical. SSJ2 Goku "while standing" had a ki equal to SSJ2 Majin Vegeta (according to Trunks), so this approach doesn't make much sense.

 

[Hector]

Which difference it exists between ki standing and fighting ki? I've seen many theories about this, but nothing that come close to be realistical. SSJ2 Goku "while standing" had a ki equal to SSJ2 Majin Vegeta (according to Trunks), so this approach doesn't make much sense.

Against Kibito, he confirms Gohan has grown weaker. Then, with that knowledge in mind, he still believes Gohan can defeat Dabura. But then, during the fight, Gohan disappoints him once again. If Gohan had fared against Dabura the way Vegeta expected judging from his chi against Kibito, there'd be no need for Vegeta to repeat himself here.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Against Kibito, he confirms Gohan has grown weaker. Then, with that knowledge in mind, he still believes Gohan can defeat Dabura. But then, during the fight, Gohan disappoints him once again. If Gohan had fared against Dabura the way Vegeta expected judging from his chi against Kibito, there'd be no need for Vegeta to repeat himself here.

Dabura turned out to be stronger than expected and both released more power during the encounter (as shown in the Anime). I don't know what we can get with that.

 

[Hector]

Dabura turned out to be stronger than expected and both released more power during the encounter (as shown in the Anime). I don't know what we can get with that.

Where was it stated Gohan released more power than at the 25th TB? In the manga, all it says is Dabura is tougher than expected because he uses magic.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Where was it stated Gohan released more power than at the 25th TB? In the manga, all it says is Dabura is tougher than expected because he uses magic.

First of all, we are not talking about the manga. Second, I have never mentioned that Gohan has more power against Dabura.

 

[Hector]

First of all, we are not talking about the manga. Second, I have never mentioned that Gohan has more power against Dabura.

So what's your problem with my SSJ2 Gohan (Budokai) > SSJ2 Gohan (Dabura)?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

So what's your problem with my SSJ2 Gohan (Budokai) > SSJ2 Gohan (Dabura)?

That it's not implied at all and is just part of someone else headcanon that I don't have to believe.