Neiz vs 1st Form Frieza

[Pakl]

Who wins?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Neizu was stronger than post-Namek Gohan who ought to be in the 1mil range, so this is an absolute stomp in Neizu's favour.

 

[SSJ2]

Wasn’t Neiz capable of trading blows with post-Namek Piccolo? He should be at least on par with initial 2nd Form Freeza I’d have to think.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Wasn’t Neiz capable of trading blows with post-Namek Piccolo? He should be at least on par with initial 2nd Form Freeza I’d have to think.

That was Sauzer. Neizu got oneshotted pretty pathetically by Piccolo reversing his own technique on him through sheer power. He should still scale to Dore though, who was capable of providing difficulty to a Base Goku that shouldn't have been holding back tremendously.

 

[SSJ2]

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Isn’t that Neiz he is trading blows with after downing Dore?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yeah, though considering how easily he dodged Neizu's attacks immediately after and how he tanked his trump card, it appears Piccolo was using far from his full effort in that initial exchange. I'd still agree that it should place Neizu at bare minimum above 1mil though.

 

[Pakl]

Neizu was stronger than post-Namek Gohan who ought to be in the 1mil range, so this is an absolute stomp in Neizu's favour.

How is Gohan 1 million?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gohan's post-Zenkai self was powerful enough for Vegeta to have hope in them being able to face Freeza, who had powered up since his previous bout with enraged Gohan who had already been able to deal some superficial damage to Initial 2nd form Freeza. It's pretty obvious post-Zenkai Gohan would have to more or less on the 1mil mark. I'm surprised I even need to explain that, unless you've forgotten huge chunks of the Freeza Arc.

 

[Pakl]

Gohan's post-Zenkai self was powerful enough for Vegeta to have hope in them being able to face Freeza, who had powered up since his previous bout with enraged Gohan who had already been able to deal some superficial damage to Initial 2nd form Freeza. It's pretty obvious post-Zenkai Gohan would have to more or less on the 1mil mark. I'm surprised I even need to explain that, unless you've forgotten huge chunks of the Freeza Arc.

Actually no. Vegeta just said things are getting a little better which is right as Gohan got stronger. Nothing indicates Gohan even surpaased Vegeta. Also in the Anime they all fire ki blasts at Freeza and he was not even scratched. We can use the Anime as this is non canon versus.

If Gohan was really that high he would be relvant to Frieza and Piccolo and he clearly was not.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Actually no. Vegeta just said things are getting a little better which is right as Gohan got stronger.

Things wouldn't be better if Gohan wasn't at least as strong as his enraged self, especially after Freeza had already powered up. Comparing Vegeta's critical demeanour when enraged Gohan is fighting 2nd form Freeza to his optimism after the Zenkai paints a clear enough picture. More importantly, Vegeta never makes mention of Gohan's Zenkai being below that of his enraged self, something you'd think he'd be quick to point out if that were the case.

Nothing indicates Gohan even surpaased Vegeta.

The very fact that Vegeta viewed their chances as better debunks this.

Also in the Anime they all fire ki blasts at Freeza and he was not even scratched. We can use the Anime as this is non canon versus.

If anything, that only makes powered up 2nd form Freeza more powerful in the anime.

If Gohan was really that high he would be relvant to Frieza and Piccolo and he clearly was not.

You do remember that 2nd form Freeza powered up and stomped enraged Gohan, don't you? Even with Gohan having powered up beyond his enraged state, there is still plenty of room for Freeza to be far above him.

 

[GSM123]

Also worth pointing out Gohan was in the process of having his dormant power released so logically his rage boost, which is just his emotions allowing him to tap into his true power, shouldn’t fade out like that.

But [mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] didn’t Cooler’s squad only overwhelm Gohan so easily because of his tail?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But @Captain Cadaver didn’t Cooler’s squad only overwhelm Gohan so easily because of his tail?

Gohan still knew he couldn't take the Armoured Squad by himself when delivering the Senzu and we later see that he and Kuririn got stomped by Sazuer. Also, Neizu was able to deflect Goku's Ki blast no worse than Dore, so even if he's the weakest of the 3, it isn't by a completely different tier.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

We can use the Anime as this is non canon versus.

ok. iirc gohan fought 50% freeza or so when freeza thought he defeated ssj goku or something, soo...

 

[Pakl]

ok. iirc gohan fought 50% freeza or so when freeza thought he defeated ssj goku or something, soo...

You actually bumped up a 1 year old thread which I don't even remember what was the argument about.

Besides that, it's nice to talk to you again man. It's been a long time.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

well, i was jst going through older threads & saw ur post & thought i'd post that since that was kind-of obvs