Odin Destroyer Armor vs Super Vegetto

[Captain Cadaver]

Well I did some research on Comic vine and it turns out Odin isn't even Galactic level. Whereas Beerus affected the entire Universe.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/whose-more-powerful-odin-or-beerus-1715905/#37
Even if you want to argue he only shook a few 'Galaxies', this still makes him Multi-Galactic level. A level which is eons beyond the following:

Superman Prime
Superboy Prime
Kal-Kent
Silver Age Superman
Composite Silver Age Superman
Odin
Surt
Rune King Thor
Galactus
Old King Thor /Necro Sword

None of the above have shown Galactic busting power.

Dragonball Z is almost in a league of it's own now.

I concede that Beerus is indeed stronger than Odin then, manga Beerus at least. However, as said before, we have no info that would allow us to assume that the DB Universe has more than 4 Galaxies. The only evidence that comes close to the theory of these Galaxies being larger than our own is Planets Namek and Vegeta still being within the North Galaxy (assuming that North Galaxy is indeed the equivalent to the Milky Way).

That's nowhere close to being "eons" beyond some of those characters. One incarnation of Galactus was capable of casually destroying the universe without being in his prime. Assuming you're referring to Superman Prime rather than Prime Superman, I can concede to that, but even Post-Crisis Superman has presented feats far beyond anything Beerus could dish out, such as lifting a book of Infinite pages, or lifting a being weighing as much as existence itself, and of course, Pre-Crisis >> Post-Crisis. It's also worth noting that even with the MFTL speed feats Beerus presented in Super thus far, it's still got nothing on those of Superman/Superboy Prime yet.

DBZ is far from being in a league of it's own. Even by just manga standards, it's still far from being the strongest universe. The Saint Seiya verse can still easily beat those feats without even resorting to top tiers, JJBA can overcome it with GER, Sailor Moon has presented Multi-Galaxy level feats with far greater speed, etc.
That's not even getting into universes that have Omnipotents too.

And once more, you've failed to coherently explain how any of this can possibly scale to Vegetto.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

You're mistaken. You're annoying me, not the fight and not the inane cross-universe versus crap. Your obsession with battle powers and feats is laughable; it's so fake and juvenile. Your only interest in Super stems from your desire to imagine Goku beating up people from comic books; you have no interest in the story, no interest in the characters, or indeed, the series at all.

I personally don't even know if Goku would win against Odin; Super is a boring, awful, show that I haven't watched much of. What bothers me isn't you believing Goku is a trillion times faster than light, it's your anti-discussion, anti-intellect, biased attitude. The attitude that got you rightfully banned from all kinds of DBZ forums. If you were willing to discuss things in a civil and direct way, I would have no problem with you. You don't. You pretend to start discussions (the answer to which you've already decided), your responses are confrontational and vitriolic. You believe that you can't be wrong.

I don't care about battle powers; they're a fun thing to discuss, but only because I want to learn how to find and present evidence. I don't care about where I rank characters' power, I only care about finding the right answer.

That's the extent of my care about this thread.

The writer of Odin states he is only a planetary threat and not a Galactic level.

Beerus has feats of shaking the entire 'Mortal Universe' and the dimensions 'Outside' of it -which theoretically makes him capable of 'above' Universal level attacks.

So please do yourself a favor and bring some statements or feats, from either Db Super or Marvel to debunk my irrefutable logic.

P.S.

I only state I'm right because people make stupid choices before they actually do research about the characters. They decide to given Odin the victory because he 'should be stronger by default'. Which I've debunked.

Didn't I make it clear that I don't care how strong Odin is?

Change your attitude. If you want to prove Beerus is stronger than Odin, title the thread "Why I think Beerus is stronger than Odin" and explain. Don't disguise it as a versus match. A thread like this implies you want to discuss the fight and/or hear other people's input on it. You clearly don't.

And as CC said, Beerus isn't Vegetto. Vegetto can't do anything more than what he demonstrated and what characters weaker than him demonstrated.

It's like saying Yamcha can blow up the Earth because Vegeta could in the same arc.

 

[kriss-]

You're mistaken. You're annoying me, not the fight and not the inane cross-universe versus crap. Your obsession with battle powers and feats is laughable; it's so fake and juvenile. Your only interest in Super stems from your desire to imagine Goku beating up people from comic books; you have no interest in the story, no interest in the characters, or indeed, the series at all.

I personally don't even know if Goku would win against Odin; Super is a boring, awful, show that I haven't watched much of. What bothers me isn't you believing Goku is a trillion times faster than light, it's your anti-discussion, anti-intellect, biased attitude. The attitude that got you rightfully banned from all kinds of DBZ forums. If you were willing to discuss things in a civil and direct way, I would have no problem with you. You don't. You pretend to start discussions (the answer to which you've already decided), your responses are confrontational and vitriolic. You believe that you can't be wrong.

I don't care about battle powers; they're a fun thing to discuss, but only because I want to learn how to find and present evidence. I don't care about where I rank characters' power, I only care about finding the right answer.

That's the extent of my care about this thread.

The writer of Odin states he is only a planetary threat and not a Galactic level.

Beerus has feats of shaking the entire 'Mortal Universe' and the dimensions 'Outside' of it -which theoretically makes him capable of 'above' Universal level attacks.

So please do yourself a favor and bring some statements or feats, from either Db Super or Marvel to debunk my irrefutable logic.

P.S.

I only state I'm right because people make stupid choices before they actually do research about the characters. They decide to given Odin the victory because he 'should be stronger by default'. Which I've debunked.

Didn't I make it clear that I don't care how strong Odin is?

Change your attitude. If you want to prove Beerus is stronger than Odin, title the thread "Why I think Beerus is stronger than Odin" and explain. Don't disguise it as a versus match. A thread like this implies you want to discuss the fight and/or hear other people's input on it. You clearly don't.

And as CC said, Beerus isn't Vegetto. Vegetto can't do anything more than what he demonstrated and what characters weaker than him demonstrated.

It's like saying Yamcha can blow up the Earth because Vegeta could in the same arc.

Goku was insanely weak in his SSJG form when he shook the universe alongside Beerus.

He's capable of replicating the feat by himself as well.
(Watch the new Db Super Episode 11 before your reply).

Vegetto is at least 1/60th of Goku SSJG. What's 1/60th of the Universe? A-lot more than a planet, solar system, galaxy or multi-galaxies that's for sure.

Vegetto single shots.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

Once again shaking the Universe doesnt mean you can destroy it. The amount of energy needed for sach is tremdously different. Also once again there are only four galaxies. Last but not least power are not linear

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku was insanely weak in his SSJG form when he shook the universe alongside Beerus.
He's capable of replicating the feat by himself as well.
(Watch the new Db Super Episode 11 before your reply).
Vegetto is at least 1/60th of Goku SSJG. What's 1/60th of the Universe? A-lot more than a planet, solar system, galaxy or multi-galaxies that's for sure.
Vegetto single shots.

From what's evidenced in the latest episode, it was the exact opposite. He'd powered up, not become weaker.

Battle powers aren't a linear scale. If they were capable of scaling with actual energy values, then a planet buster like 1st form Freeza shouldn't even be capable of city busting, being only 103,000x stronger than a normal human. This entire versus thread is based on the assumption of a clearly disproven conjecture. Not to mention, there's still no proof of the DB Universe being larger than 4 Galaxies.

Also, after a little research, it becomes apparent that Odin's far stronger than your biased lowballing would dictate. http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/1515-character-profile-odin

 

[kriss-]

I've done more research and I have found evidence that contradicts each other. However, the absolute best Odin has managed to do was casually destroy multiple galaxies while fighting Seth.

The Destroyer though, is stated to have Universal level durability -as witnessed when he fought The Fourth Celestial Host.

Even wearing The Destroyer Armor only brings him to the level of being able to tank a few hits from Beerus.

A differentiating factor is speed. If Odin cannot react to Beerus, he won't be able to use the Odin Force to manipulate Beerus or influence him in anyway. Beerus has traveled from one galaxy to another in under two minutes, this makes him hilariously faster than light. He could three Odin and destroy the Armor, which would kill Odin like it did when he fought The Celestials.

Odin has also, never used matter manipulation or anything of the sort during a fight. In character, it's normal for him to try and duke it out.

Odin lasts 30 seconds before the Armor is destroyed from Beerus. Once it shatters, Odin is as good as dead.

Vegetto on the other-hand, could probably give Odin a good fight at Super Saiyan 3. With the Destroyer Armor, Odin is likely, too durable for Vegetto to claim victory.

Odin wins.

 

[Ssj3Gogeta96]

The writer said he's planet level but he destroys galaxies? Wat

Anyway, destructive power in dbz isn't linear to power levels so as far as we know vegito is multi solar system level in destructive power. Apparently gods of destruction and saiyan gods are just that much stronger

As for the universe, there is no solid reason to believe there are only four galaxies. It was only said that there are NESW "areas" in the universe

Beerus and goku are multi Galaxy level at the very least. Idk how many times it needs to be said that the universe and beyond is fucked

 

[kriss-]

The writer said he's planet level but he destroys galaxies? Wat

Anyway, destructive power in dbz isn't linear to power levels so as far as we know vegito is multi solar system level in destructive power. Apparently gods of destruction and saiyan gods are just that much stronger

As for the universe, there is no solid reason to believe there are only four galaxies. It was only said that there are NESW "areas" in the universe

Beerus and goku are multi Galaxy level at the very least. Idk how many times it needs to be said that the universe and beyond is fucked

As I stated above, there are contradictory statements from different writers. One says if he's mad enough, he could casually bust Galaxies -which he typically has with on panel feats.

Another writer says he's only a planetary threat. Which does make sense, according to these feats:

This battle between Odin & The Celestials was pretty epic. It's the Odin I'm using for this thread. Before we start, if you visit the Comicvine Site and check out the Destroyer Armor, it's stated to have Universal level durability there and in this scan:

Strong enough to face Universal armageddon itself.

Now we can start with his battle.

Here Thor wonders if The Destroyer, which on two occasions has been stated to have Universal durability, can contend with beings who can destroy a Universe. Of course not. The key-words are one being Universal and the other being 'above' Universal'.

Here Odin shows extremely weak punching power. It's only capable of destroying a planet. This is Odin on his highest showings as well.

However, punching power is different than Odin Force busting power. Which he can use to bust galaxies, seen here:

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/odin/Odin_seth_08.jpg[/img[/url]]

So we have established that Odin has planetary busting physical strength and multi-galaxy busting power with the Odin Force, which is supported by two writers.

The Universal level durability of the Destroyer was eventually beaten and destroyed by the Fourth Host.

The Odin Force itself has proven to be extremely troublesome for Galactus to contend, despite feeding earlier in this issue.

During an alternate discussion with a writer, The Celestials were intended to be above the likes of Galactus & Odin and they intended to portray them as the next step of power. Then we have this:

The Odin that fought The Celestials, was amplified by The Destroyer, Odin-Sword, All of Asgard, The Uni-Mind & The Eternals. It's safe to say he's above Galactus, but he still got mucked by 9 nine named Celestials. Galactus fought 3 nameless Celestials and managed to kill one. On normal levels, Galactus is indeed stronger than Odin, but not The Celestials, and neither is Odin.

I can safely assume this chain:

Exitar > The Celestial Fourth Host > Odin (Amplified) > Galactus > Odin (Normal)

We have established:

Odin has Planetary Level Strength.
Odin has Multi-Galaxy Busting power with the Odin Force.

Beerus on the other hand:

Has managed to shake the entire Universe and dimensions outside of the Universe with around 60% of his power. He performed 'above' Universal level feats with just physical strikes. Everybody, including Whiss, confirms this.

We have established:

Beerus has 'above' Universal level punches.
Beerus has Universal busting Chi attacks, if he so desired.

IMO Beerus handily destroys even the Odin who fought The Celestials with but a few punches. It would be a more interesting fight if he Fought The Celestials himself and would prove to be a much bigger challenge. But against Odin? I really don't think the old man has what it takes.

This is my personal attempt to answer this question accurately. I don't think Vegetto can do it, but Beerus does it quite easily.

Watch this for some laughs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMBVHnNjsk8

 

[Ssj3Gogeta96]

Beerus and goku are now universal level yeah but that has nothing to do with vegito. Odin can pulverize planets with his punches and destroy galaxies with his blasts. Vegito is not planet level with his punches and his blasts are multi solar system level. Now idk how fast Odin is but vegito is around lightning speed at most in combat based on gotenks circling the planet. If Odin is faster, and/or is wearing the destroyer armor, vegito can't win this. He's outmatched

 

[p123]

Damn that was a good read Tosh. Can you do more?

 

[kriss-]

Damn that was a good read Tosh. Can you do more?

I know alot about Asgard. Mainly, Odin-Force Thor, Old King Thor, Rune King Thor or Odin. I'm fairly well rounded in Galactus.

Which one did you have in mind.

 

[p123]

Galactus

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

No one likes galactus. He is a fatass planet eater. Also Galactus is Multiversal with the Ultimate Nullifer still so he would beat Goku.