Tapion said:Hardly a contest. Even Chaozu can win easily. Chi-Chi is >= Old Piccolo Daimao via feats and she is definitely weaker than Chaozu at the 23rd TB.
Goku was not trying at all. He was dodging her attacks and that was literally it. When he actually "tried," a little bit of wind from his fist knocked her out of the ring and hurt her more than it was supposed to. Nothing in that fight implies that she is around Old King Piccolo.Tapion said:She actually forced Weighted Goku to fly.
Yamcha said:Goku was not trying at all. He was dodging her attacks and that was literally it. When he actually "tried," a little bit of wind from his fist knocked her out of the ring and hurt her more than it was supposed to. Nothing in that fight implies that she is around Old King Piccolo.Tapion said:She actually forced Weighted Goku to fly.
ahill1 said:Kame-sennin calling Chi-Chi a master isn't indicative of her being at Old Piccolo's level though, considering he also seems to condider high of someone like Chapa-o and I doubt a fellow would have to be at old King Piccolo's level only to be considered a master in Roshi's eyes.
I didn't say he called King Chappa a master, just that he also seemed to consider high of him. At the 22nd Budokai he also called Tenshinhan and Chaozu super masters beyond the ordinary level, so the usage of the word master does very little to put Chi-Chi at king Piccolo's level. Not saying she isn't, just that arguing such over a praising from Kame-sennin doesn't mean much.Tapion said:ahill1 said:Kame-sennin calling Chi-Chi a master isn't indicative of her being at Old Piccolo's level though, considering he also seems to condider high of someone like Chapa-o and I doubt a fellow would have to be at old King Piccolo's level only to be considered a master in Roshi's eyes.
The one who called King Chappa a master was Yamcha, not Kame-sennin. What he said was that Goku would have a hard match against Chappa, which is true, since 22rd TB Goku isn't anywhere near his 23rd TB strength.
ahill1 said:I didn't say he called King Chappa a master, just that he also seemed to consider high of him. At the 22nd Budokai he also called Tenshinhan and Chaozu super masters beyond the ordinary level, so the usage of the word master does very little to put Chi-Chi at king Piccolo's level. Not saying she isn't, just that arguing such over a praising from Kame-sennin doesn't mean much.Tapion said:ahill1 said:Kame-sennin calling Chi-Chi a master isn't indicative of her being at Old Piccolo's level though, considering he also seems to condider high of someone like Chapa-o and I doubt a fellow would have to be at old King Piccolo's level only to be considered a master in Roshi's eyes.
The one who called King Chappa a master was Yamcha, not Kame-sennin. What he said was that Goku would have a hard match against Chappa, which is true, since 22rd TB Goku isn't anywhere near his 23rd TB strength.
I named it wrong and you just gave me a source making what I said stronger.Tapion said:Yamcha said:Goku was not trying at all. He was dodging her attacks and that was literally it. When he actually "tried," a little bit of wind from his fist knocked her out of the ring and hurt her more than it was supposed to. Nothing in that fight implies that she is around Old King Piccolo.Tapion said:She actually forced Weighted Goku to fly.
Wrong. Chi-Chi was blown away by a shockwave, not a "little wind" from his fist. Kame-sennin adresses this directly in the manga:
Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”
Not to mention Goku admitted he placed a lot of power on that punch.
Kame-sennin also calls Chi-Chi a master while she was fighting Goku:
Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”
Yamcha said:I named it wrong and you just gave me a source making what I said stronger.Tapion said:Yamcha said:Goku was not trying at all. He was dodging her attacks and that was literally it. When he actually "tried," a little bit of wind from his fist knocked her out of the ring and hurt her more than it was supposed to. Nothing in that fight implies that she is around Old King Piccolo.
Wrong. Chi-Chi was blown away by a shockwave, not a "little wind" from his fist. Kame-sennin adresses this directly in the manga:
Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”
Not to mention Goku admitted he placed a lot of power on that punch.
Kame-sennin also calls Chi-Chi a master while she was fighting Goku:
Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”
Calling her master means nothing here.
Kame-sennin says she is a master because she shows a mastery over his own style of fight and can press Goku back somewhat. But we are talking about what Kame-sennin considers as such and if such is an implication of the fighter being on king Piccolo's level. Again, he didn't say King Chappa was a master, he just considered very high of this. But he called Chaozu and Tenshinhan super masters and nothing says his vision towards master showed in those three years upon seeing Tenshinhan wrecking Tao Pai Pai and getting stronger than he thought. Kame calling Chi Chi a master just means it, she is an expert in the realms of martial artist, possessing such powers to earn his respect. It means very, very little on Chi-Chi being at King Piccolo's level, since being considered a master by Roshi can work even at 22nd Budokai's powers, nevermind someone as strong as Piccolo.Tapion said:ahill1 said:I didn't say he called King Chappa a master, just that he also seemed to consider high of him. At the 22nd Budokai he also called Tenshinhan and Chaozu super masters beyond the ordinary level, so the usage of the word master does very little to put Chi-Chi at king Piccolo's level. Not saying she isn't, just that arguing such over a praising from Kame-sennin doesn't mean much.Tapion said:The one who called King Chappa a master was Yamcha, not Kame-sennin. What he said was that Goku would have a hard match against Chappa, which is true, since 22rd TB Goku isn't anywhere near his 23rd TB strength.
He considered King Chappa a master because he was one at the time. In the 23rd TB King Chappa is no master, because he is no longer anything special. So yeah, being called a master does matter when you are facing an opponent at the level of Goku.