Oozaru Baby Vegeta vs 1st Form Freeza (FnF)

[Southern Gothic]

Who wins???

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

I'm inclined to say Oozaru Baby Vegeta since SBV2 (or SBV dun remember) is said to have the highest ki Goku's ever sensed. Which at the very least puts him above Boohan or Kid Boo (depending on what you think GT takes from). If you take Goku to mean even Vegetto then that's at the very least above Super Vegetto. Super Oozaru is described as the more primal and less condensed form of SSJ4, which is stated to be a dormant power unlock. I don't see 1st Form Freeza being THAT far above the Boo arc if at all. Oozaru Baby Vegeta on the other hand has quite the gap on Boo arc characters.

 

[Six Trails]

1st form Freeza wins, even though I don't like saying it.

 

[Disasters GoOn]

In FnF, Gohan and Piccolo reel over First Form Frieza's Ki. Gohan likely remembers Enraged Vegeta's Ki, so at the minimum, this means that First Form Frieza (FnF)>>>Enraged SSj2 Vegeta.

Since Enraged SSj2 Vegeta damaged a version of Beerus that Goku thought that fusion was useless against, this puts Enraged Vegeta at SSj Vegetto (BoG)-tier IMO.

So, First Form Frieza beats the crap out of the giant monkey.

Frieza is likely only destructible by Super 17-tier characters.

 

[Southern Gothic]

1st form Freeza wins, even though I don't like saying it.

I know how it must have felt.

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

In FnF, Gohan and Piccolo reel over First Form Frieza's Ki. Gohan likely remembers Enraged Vegeta's Ki, so at the minimum, this means that First Form Frieza (FnF)>>>Enraged SSj2 Vegeta.

Since Enraged SSj2 Vegeta damaged a version of Beerus that Goku thought that fusion was useless against, this puts Enraged Vegeta at SSj Vegetto (BoG)-tier IMO.

So, First Form Frieza beats the crap out of the giant monkey.

Frieza is likely only destructible by Super 17-tier characters.

Couldn't one argue that Vegeta simply caught Beerus off-guard with his sudden power spike? As soon as Beerus accomodated, he dealt with Vegeta as easily as the rest. I wouldn't use that as the means to argue he's a BoG SSJ Vegetto tier character, I would instead use a composite argument melding Super and BoG, with Super being used to fill in some gaps with BoG in regards to specific statements regarding where people stand. Making Beerus use 10% of his power to loftily put him away speaks more wonders than an off-guard spur of the moment argument ya feel?

 

[Southern Gothic]

I always thought that Freeza paying extra attention to Gohan and then moving to take him out right away hinted at Freeza not being quit all that powerful. Why does he even care all that much about the SSJ form if he clearly surpassed it. Maybe he is a bit more vulnerable that we think.

Anyway, I think you are all crazy and Baby wins this one

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

I was just playing Devil's advocate lol, I still think Oozaru Baby Vegeta takes on RoF First Form Freeza quite handily.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I do agree that part of Vegeta's success came from the element of surprise.

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

The concept of this matchup is giving me some good ideas for a fic I'm making starring your Goddess truly. So... to it I go I suppose lol.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Whilst I do have the Gods ahead of the GT-verse by enough that this wouldn't seem too far out of the question, even I wouldn't place this version of Freeza much higher than Super Vegeta-Baby at most. Baby stomps even without Golden Oozaru imo.

Via feats, it's also possible that there's a larger gap between 1st and true form Freeza than in the Freeza Arc, since as said before, Freeza didn't have any statements to warrant him being dozens of times stronger than Boo Arc top tiers. I wouldn't say Gohan and Piccolo's reaction to his Ki means much, since they only ever noted it being in both a different league from themselves and Freeza's past self iirc, rather than being beyond any Ki they'd sensed before.

 

[SIAD]

Whilst I do have the Gods ahead of the GT-verse by enough that this wouldn't seem too far out of the question, even I wouldn't place this version of Freeza much higher than Super Vegeta-Baby at most. Baby stomps even without Golden Oozaru imo.

Via feats, it's also possible that there's a larger gap between 1st and true form Freeza than in the Freeza Arc, since as said before, Freeza didn't have any statements to warrant him being dozens of times stronger than Boo Arc top tiers. I wouldn't say Gohan and Piccolo's reaction to his Ki means much, since they only ever noted it being in both a different league from themselves and Freeza's past self iirc, rather than being beyond any Ki they'd sensed before.

Freezer do you think between True Form (DBS) vs Gogeta SSJ4?

 

[Southern Gothic]

I really sided with Baby before I even made this thread. I was more interested in taking in the vibe of where most people placed 1st Form Freeza. As others have said, Piccolo and Gohan swoon over him, but nothing they say is particularly a strict placement. Nothing suggested to me that Freeza was anywhere close to god level at that point.

 

[Future Warrior]

You know, you'd think that if First Form Freeza was SSJ - SSJ3 Vegetto tier his death beams would have completely obliterate Gohan when he shot them.

 

[Disasters GoOn]

I guess I was just boosting up First Form Frieza because his power-up seemed godly to me.

I was assuming that Gohan and Piccolo were thinking of All Powers Absorbed Goku and Enraged Vegeta when talking about Frieza. But even then, that doesn't mean that he'd need to be above SSj3 Vegetto in that case, especially since Beerus could have been using less than 1% in the BoG movie.

But I guess that Frieza's feats, at best, put him above SSj3-tier.

 

[Pocket-God]

Baby roflstomps Frieza into oblivion.