Oozaru Goku > Grandpa Gohan

[FeatsofPower]

I think all power level lists should include this power chain. I think it's super important and a great limiter in how much improvement you want to give to the characters in the early sagas.

 

[SSJ2]

Generally in agreement with this but does it have to be the case? Couldn't Goku have crushed him in his sleep?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Generally in agreement with this but does it have to be the case? Couldn't Goku have crushed him in his sleep?

I think that is what happened. However, I don't think if Gohan had been awake that he'd want any smoke from Goku. I think the narrative is that Gohan was crushed to death, but he'd always have been beaten to death if he tried to fight him.

 

[SSJ2]

So do you think Gohan trained in the afterlife somehow or are you going extreme minimalist for early DB? I'm looking at my list and I'm not seeing how it could be a possibility to keep the entirety of the 21st Budokai gains, and then having to surpass Tao Pai Pai on top of that - and still end up below Oozaru Goku.

 

[FeatsofPower]

So do you think Gohan trained in the afterlife somehow or are you going extreme minimalist for early DB? I'm looking at my list and I'm not seeing how it could be a possibility to keep the entirety of the 21st Budokai gains, and then having to surpass Tao Pai Pai on top of that - and still end up below Oozaru Goku.

I'm sure Gohan did some regular maintenance training. I think he was recruited to be the strongest person for Baba's team, I don't think he was the weakest and had to train himself up Rocky style.

It's not that bad, I just worked it out the other day with GSM. Check it out.


Goku 50
Roshi 150
21st Goku 150
Mummy 160
Devil Man 250
Tao Pai Pai 340
Gohan 360
Goku 375
Oozaru Goku 500


See? It all fits.

 

[SSJ2]

I guess my issue with that is the gains from BoDB to the 21st. Goku could tell in the prelims that he and Krillin had become so much stronger that they purposely needed to hold back the majority of their power. Doesn't that sound like much more than a 3x gain to you? Even while holding back that much of their power they were still one shotting the preliminary opponents.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I guess my issue with that is the gains from BoDB to the 21st. Goku could tell in the prelims that he and Krillin had become so much stronger that they purposely needed to hold back the majority of their power. Doesn't that sound like much more than a 3x gain to you? Even while holding back that much of their power they were still one shotting the preliminary opponents.

You can one shot someone with a 1.5x advantage. Krillen punches his old training mates through a wall, I got it at a 2.5x advantage, I think that's enough.

 

[SSJ2]

You can one shot someone with a 1.5x advantage. Krillen punches his old training mates through a wall, I got it at a 2.5x advantage, I think that's enough.

Can I see your levels for the BoDB and the 21st? How do you space out the likes Bacteria, Yamcha, Giran, Krillin, and Namu within that range?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Can I see your levels for the BoDB and the 21st? How do you space out the likes Bacteria, Yamcha, Giran, Krillin, and Namu within that range?

Orin Temple Bullies 40

Yamcha 60
~ WFF 70

Krillen 75
~ FP 100

Giran 90

Namu 140

Goku 110
~ W/ Tail 150

Jackie Chun 80
~ More Effort 100
~ Full Power 150

 

[Animelover5487]

Orin Temple Bullies 40

Yamcha 60
~ WFF 70

Krillen 75
~ FP 100

Giran 90

Namu 140

Goku 110
~ W/ Tail 150

Jackie Chun 80
~ More Effort 100
~ Full Power 150

The gap between Initial Chun and Yamcha should be larger given Chun was dodging him while barely trying and oneshotted him with a wave of his hand.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The gap between Initial Chun and Yamcha should be larger given Chun was dodging him while barely trying and oneshotted him with a wave of his hand.

The gap between Initial Chun and Yamcha is 100 to 60. It's his level of effort that is 80.

So with minimal effort he is an 80, but his actual level is 100.

 

[Hector]

I'm sure Gohan did some regular maintenance training. I think he was recruited to be the strongest person for Baba's team, I don't think he was the weakest and had to train himself up Rocky style.

It's not that bad, I just worked it out the other day with GSM. Check it out.


Goku 50
Roshi 150
21st Goku 150
Mummy 160
Devil Man 250
Tao Pai Pai 340
Gohan 360
Goku 375
Oozaru Goku 500


See? It all fits.

BODB Goku- 50
21st TB Goku- 150
Mummy- 160
Goku (vs Mummy)- 240
Devil- 270
Goku (vs Devil)- 400
Goku (full power)- 450
Gohan- 450
BODB Oozaru Goku- 500

 

[FeatsofPower]

I don't think Gohan rivals Oozaru Goku.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I’d definitely like to be like SSJ2 and have the 21st characters be way stronger, but I’d rather favour Goku > Gohan over that. Sure, Gohan was probably killed in his sleep, but there’s a reason he didn’t want Goku to look at the moon.

The gap between Initial Chun and Yamcha should be larger given Chun was dodging him while barely trying and oneshotted him with a wave of his hand.

Yamcha was only one shot because he was knocked out of the arena, otherwise he’s fine. He’d definitely get his shit wrecked in a fight to the death, but it doesn’t look like anything Recoome couldn’t do to Vegeta.

The gap between Initial Chun and Yamcha is 100 to 60. It's his level of effort that is 80.

So with minimal effort he is an 80, but his actual level is 100.

How does that work? The dodging alone is a 1.33x, and the lack of effort makes it a 1.66x?

 

[Animelover5487]

Yamcha was only one shot because he was knocked out of the arena, otherwise he’s fine. He’d definitely get his shit wrecked in a fight to the death, but it doesn’t look like anything Recoome couldn’t do to Vegeta.

Vegeta vs Recoome? It has been a minute since I have seen that fight but from what I remember Vegeta did land a few hits that Recoome looked genuinely surprised by, and Vegeta did take a elbow to the head I believe.

Yamcha vs Chun looked almost like Goku vs the Ginyu Force. Chun was barely moving yet Yamcha's base speed couldn't even touch him, not even with his WFF.

 

[FeatsofPower]

How does that work? The dodging alone is a 1.33x, and the lack of effort makes it a 1.66x?

Yeah, which should be an example of how we are to think about such things in the future. For example like Goku vs Ginyu Force, I bet there is a reoccurring theme that avoiding punches like that doesn't require a full calling of his power, but Goku uses a lot more effort when he attacks.

Which shows not all uber dominant fights necessarily reflect the level of power all the time, because their effort in relation to power could be a bit different.

Cell one shotting Super Vegeta with minimal effort should be far more impressive than Goku using what appears to be full effort to take out the Ginyu Force. You can use low effort to dodge, but to use low effort to strike, seems to be another level of a feat.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Yamcha vs Chun looked almost like Goku vs the Ginyu Force. Chun was barely moving yet Yamcha's base speed couldn't even touch him, not even with his WFF.

Exactly, which is why I apply the same gap towards those two fights.

Also another fight that looks similar here is what General Blue does to Krillen.

WFF actually garnered quite a serious reaction from Jackie, so Jackie had to use some real effort to avoid it, which shows his level of effort pre-WFF wasn't the same as what he actually had in reserves.

 

[SSJ2]

Yamcha was only one shot because he was knocked out of the arena, otherwise he’s fine. He’d definitely get his shit wrecked in a fight to the death, but it doesn’t look like anything Recoome couldn’t do to Vegeta.

Getting physically forced out of the ring because Roshi merely waved his hand is a pretty huge feat. I really don't see the likes of Recoome being able to do that to Vegeta. This should imply a massive gap, so much so that the other fighter is literally untouchable.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Getting physically forced out of the ring because Roshi merely waved his hand is a pretty huge feat. I really don't see the likes of Recoome being able to do that to Vegeta. This should imply a massive gap, so much so that the other fighter is literally untouchable

Reecome couldn't. But Goku could do it to the Ginyu Force.

 

[SSJ2]

Reecome couldn't. But Goku could do it to the Ginyu Force.

Sure, but I'd argue with far more effort.