Oozaru Vegeta vs Damaged Goku

[Power Level Guy]

Here's what I think.

Goku thinks Giant Piccolo didn't lose speed. So he's going to assume Oozaru Vegeta doesn't lose speed.

I think Oozaru Vegeta is using Power Ball Vegeta's speed level when he fights against Battle Damaged Goku.

Goku expects to outspeed Vegeta with Kaioken, and is surprised that Vegeta can go that fast. Which means, Oozaru does get a speed increase, which Injured Oozaru Gohan already has proven, and, Post Power Ball Vegeta is indeed as weak as many have suspected. Now we have documented proof.


KKx2 Goku (Damaged) > Oozaru Vegeta Initial Speed = Post Power Ball Vegeta Speed > Goku (Damaged)

This is a genius power chain that really allows us to lock in where Oozaru Vegeta truly is. It looks like that 60k estimate for Vegeta is going to be quite a fine placement for him afterall.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta: 18,000
Post Moon Ball: 10,000
Oozaru: 100,000

Goku (post Kaioken x4): 5,000
Kaioken: 10,000

That could work.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Vegeta: 18,000
Post Moon Ball: 10,000
Oozaru: 100,000

Goku (post Kaioken x4): 5,000
Kaioken: 10,000

That could work.

Are you saying…

Post Power Ball Vegeta > Oozaru Vegeta Speed (Initial)?

You think Goku has retained that much power?

 

[SSJ2]

Are you saying…

Post Power Ball Vegeta > Oozaru Vegeta Speed (Initial)?

You think Goku has retained that much power?

No, I don't believe Vegeta sped up to counter Kaioken Goku. I believe Goku misjudged his speed from the start and simply got it wrong. I've always seen the quote about being surprised by Vegeta's speed as a general one.

I think it's possible. Kaioken wrecked his body but I'm not sure about how much Ki it would have used up.



Here, it doesn't sound like Goku's Ki dropped from using Kaioken x3. He says he can't drag it out, meaning he's still expecting to be able to put out his best power imo. Then we have the beam clash directly after. I think that is the first time Goku loses a noticeable amount of Ki, and reducing him to 5,000 could be sufficient.

 

[Power Level Guy]

No, I don't believe Vegeta sped up to counter Kaioken Goku. I believe Goku misjudged his speed from the start and simply got it wrong. I've always seen the quote about being surprised by Vegeta's speed as a general one.

So Vegeta is actually moving KK Goku levels of speed? But doesn’t realize it?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Then we have the beam clash directly after. I think that is the first time Goku loses a noticeable amount of Ki, and reducing him to 5,000 could be sufficient.

He’s stated to have no strength left.

 

[SSJ2]

Well we're talking one attack. Goku was also at his limit and probably wanted to avoid using Kaioken, but quickly learned he couldn't.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Well we're talking one attack. Goku was also at his limit and probably wanted to avoid using Kaioken, but quickly learned he couldn't.

Goku wrecked his body with KKx3 does a massive Kamehameha, does KKx4.

His body is absolutely wrecked.

Yajirobe hurts him bad with a tap on the shoulder.

These arguments are just cope.

 

[SSJ2]

What is this quote referencing?



Is he talking about the Genki Dama? Or a random ki blast like the one he fired at Vegeta's eye?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Is he talking about the Genki Dama? Or a random ki blast like the one he fired at Vegeta's eye?

Spirit Bomb

 

[SSJ2]

Spirit Bomb

It's weird though, wouldn't the context be about winning? He says he has no chance of beating him.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It's weird though, wouldn't the context be about winning? He says he has no chance of beating him.

He thinks he's going to die. Figures he'd go out with a bang.