Original Broly vs Cell

[Symbiote]

Round 1: vs Perfect Cell
Round 2: vs Super Perfect Cell

 

[Pyro]

M8 Broly is overwhelmed by Cell's superior knowledge, skill set, and possibly power. They're close enough, anyway.

M10 Broly smokes either version of Cell if he could fold SSJ2 Gohan who, for all intents and purposes, continued training after the Cell Games in that continuity.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Broly is all hype. His M8 self loses to both versions (and probably even suppressed Cell), but M10 should kill both since he can take on SSJ2 Gohan and is > Goku on equal forms.

 

[Pyro]

Why would he lose to suppressed Cell? Are you on your meds again?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Assuming Broly starts off in LSSJ, the first fight depends on if you think FP Perfect Cell could perform the same feats against the Cell Games participants, seeing as how the Hatchiyack OVA and its remake makes it pretty apparent the M8 selves (sans Gohan) are around their CG level. I'd say Cell would lose with that comparison since he lacks the feats to show the same level of dominance, though would win with his Power Weighted form and stomp with his Zenkai.

M10 LSSJ Broly stomps SPC though with both how far above SS2 Gohan he was and Koyama's statement of viewing him as the strongest Saiyan placing him at least above CG SS2 Gohan's peak.

 

[SSJ2]

M8 Broly wins round 1 with extreme difficulty. M10 Broly slaughters SPC.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why would he lose to suppressed Cell? Are you on your meds again?

Not enough feats. You could make a case for it, but like Slug it's not clear where in the timeline he fits.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Not enough feats. You could make a case for it, but like Slug it's not clear where in the timeline he fits.

M8 Dragon Team should be comparable to their CG selves other than Gohan, given Hatchiyack (who was stated to be "maybe" stronger than Broly) tooled them with similar ease in both the original and remake, the latter having the foresight of the series already been complete and even the original having been created at the time the Cell Games took place. That said, there's no reason from either a meta or in-universe standpoint to believe they're any different from their CG selves, other than Gohan due to his poor feats against both Broly and Hatchiyack compared to the others.

 

[Papasmurf]

M8 Dragon Team should be comparable to their CG selves other than Gohan, given Hatchiyack (who was stated to be "maybe" stronger than Broly) tooled them with similar ease in both the original and remake, the latter having the foresight of the series already been complete and even the original having been created at the time the Cell Games took place. That said, there's no reason from either a meta or in-universe standpoint to believe they're any different from their CG selves, other than Gohan due to his poor feats against both Broly and Hatchiyack compared to the others.

But considering that the Hatchiyak feature showed Trunks with short hair (which he only had shortly before going into the RoSaT a second time, other than post-CG which obviously takes place after Galu's death), wouldn't you say it's more likely that Trunks is pre-2nd RoSaT here? Vegeta also seems to be in Grade 2 in Movie 8 whereas his hairstyle and muscle mass seems more consistent with regular Super Saiyan in Movie 9, and we know Vegeta doesn't use Grade 2 after his first fight with Cell.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Trunks also cut his hair short before returning to the future, so there's just as much chance of his Hatchiyack OVA self drawing from his post-CG design (for the remake, at least). Vegeta's muscle mass is also a very debatable thing, particularly how aware Toei's staff were of him seemingly abandoning the form after the 2nd Rosat trip.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta's design sheet for M8 shows that he is illustrated and named "Super Vegeta" whereas he's clearly in SSJ form in Movie 9, and Trunks seems to follow the same route with how his muscle mass shredded his jacket when he transformed in Movie 8 while his jacket remained intact throughout the Bojack movie, showing that both fighters seemingly abandoned Grade 2 after Movie 8. I would also make the argument that Toei were aware of Vegeta and Trunks only using regular/semi-mastered SSJ after the 2nd RoSaT when Gohan beating up pre-Zenkai Cell and making him explode had already concluded by the time of M8's release in the manga.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Be that as it may, that only really applies to Vegeta and Trunks. There's no reason for Goku to be any weaker than his CG self and the Hatchiyack OVA characters should certainly be equal to their CG selves (minus Gohan) and Hatchiyack stomped them to a similar degree as his near-equal Broly, so the greater point of offering a benchmark between Broly and the CG Dragon Team remains the same.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think it's possible they were meant to be their Cell Games levels but look mid Cell saga because Toriyama hadn't designed them yet. Makes sense because Gohan's SSJ design is completely original, he looks pre Roast but clearly isn't.

I like to compare Movie 8 to Movie 4 and 3 because it's placement in the timeline is a bit unclear. M3 escapes the power scaling issues because we have given power levels for it, but Slug and Broly seem to just be "after Freeza/Cell were defeated" without any clarification as to how. I choose to place Vegeta and Trunks on their first Rosat trips and Goku on a movie only level based on the Daizenshuu 6's timeline placement and the movie's release date.

But alternatively, is it possible Goku is his Cell Games level while everyone else is multiple times weaker than him, around Super Vegeta's level? Goku had the beast "feats" in the movie against Broly right?

 

[SSJ2]

Goku's power is the only thing that matters when scaling Broly. Gohan had Super Saiyan so obviously they were in the RoSaT already. Perhaps Vegeta/Trunks had only made 1 trip at that point, and since Gohan's full power was unknown he is shown to be extremely weak.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But alternatively, is it possible Goku is his Cell Games level while everyone else is multiple times weaker than him, around Super Vegeta's level? Goku had the beast "feats" in the movie against Broly right?

As SSJ2 said, Goku's level is all that matters, and there's indeed no reason to believe it differs at all from his CG self when nothing in either M8 or the Hatchiyack OVA nor any assumptive speculation on the timeline would lead it to be any different. Considering that, it wouldn't really make a difference which version of Vegeta and Trunks these non-canon versions drew from, as they'd get stomped just as badly by a guy who can tool MSSJ Galu.

 

[Pyro]

Goku and Gohan went through the RoSaT, so Goku should be the same strength regardless. He got stomped by Hatchyak, who's near-equals with M8 Broly, so there we go.

 

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[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku and Gohan went through the RoSaT, so Goku should be the same strength regardless. He got stomped by Hatchyak, who's near-equals with M8 Broly, so there we go.

But if Gohan isn't the same strength how could Goku be?

 

[SSJ2]

Because Goku's 50% power was already well known when the film was in development.

 

[Pyro]

But if Gohan isn't the same strength how could Goku be?

Yeah, because Toei was well aware that Goku was only using half his power up to that point. Are they that braindead that they can't multiply by 2? Boom.