Perfect Cell = Hatchyack >= Broly LSSJ (M8)?

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Perfect, so Hatchyack = Hatchyack Clones (each).

What I don't understand is that many say that Hatchyack = Perfect Cell, while others say that Broly LSSJ (M8) = Perfect Cell.

Who says the right thing?
 

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Hatchiyack > M8 Broly > Perfect Cell

I'm surprised there's debate on this. I thought this one had a consensus.
 

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How are the feats?
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Cell says he has the power to blow away a solar system with his Kamehameha. Meanwhile, Broly destroys 1/4 of the galaxy in his suppressed state. In comparison, our own galaxy, there is 3,916 solar systems. Divide by 4 = 979 solar systems destroy by Broly while in his restrained state vs 1 solar system by Cell at full power. This feat alone puts suppressed Broly as stronger than Cell at full power by a huge amount.

Perfect Cell tanked a kick to the head from Vegeta while suppressed. Broly also tanked a kick to the head while suppressed. How big do you think the difference was between Initial Perfect Cell and full power Cell Games Cell is? 5, 10, 20x stronger? FPSS Goku was around 2x CG Vegeta and Full power Perfect Cell scared Goku and Co so he was probably over 2x stronger than Goku was or more. Meaning that Full Power Cell was 4 or more times stronger than Vegeta. With room for a bit more. You could high ball and say 10 or even 20 times stronger.

Suppressed Broly still had super saiyan to use, 50x more power, then the Legendary SS to power up as well. Even if we lowball Broly's LSS transformation to as small as 2-3x multiplier, this puts him at least 100-150x stronger than Vegeta at the minimum. With room for insanely more. The LSS multiplier is more but I will use this smaller number for the sake of this argument.

You also have Cell taking a full power Kamehameha to the face and getting his entire upper body blown off. Goku tried the same thing with Broly dead in his face and Broly didn't even flinch.
 

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For example,

Cell says he has the power to blow away a solar system with his Kamehameha. Meanwhile, Broly destroys 1/4 of the galaxy in his suppressed state. In comparison, our own galaxy, there is 3,916 solar systems. Divide by 4 = 979 solar systems destroy by Broly while in his restrained state vs 1 solar system by Cell at full power. This feat alone puts suppressed Broly as stronger than Cell at full power by a huge amount.

Perfect Cell tanked a kick to the head from Vegeta while suppressed. Broly also tanked a kick to the head while suppressed. How big do you think the difference was between Initial Perfect Cell and full power Cell Games Cell is? 5, 10, 20x stronger? FPSS Goku was around 2x CG Vegeta and Full power Perfect Cell scared Goku and Co so he was probably over 2x stronger than Goku was or more. Meaning that Full Power Cell was 4 or more times stronger than Vegeta. With room for a bit more. You could high ball and say 10 or even 20 times stronger.

Suppressed Broly still had super saiyan to use, 50x more power, then the Legendary SS to power up as well. Even if we lowball Broly's LSS transformation to as small as 2-3x multiplier, this puts him at least 100-150x stronger than Vegeta at the minimum. With room for insanely more. The LSS multiplier is more but I will use this smaller number for the sake of this argument.

You also have Cell taking a full power Kamehameha to the face and getting his entire upper body blown off. Goku tried the same thing with Broly dead in his face and Broly didn't even flinch.
And what do you think of Koyama saying that Perfect Cell = Hatchyack?
 

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@Warrior_of_Mite

To be fair, half of power Goku convinced Vegeta that he was always one step ahead of him, also considering that full power Goku (and the rest of the saiyans) surpassed Grade 3 Trunks who was above initial Perfect Cell who was tank level for Super Vegeta makes the gap even higher (of course, I don't believe 50% Goku is above G3 Trunks, or at least I know that is just my narrative preference). Also, the Kamehameha against Cell was charged for much more time than Broly's, so that's not a fair comparison on top of Goku against Cell being accustomed to the form and showing insane levels of being tired while Goku against Broly wasn't and he didn't even showed being tired at all.
 

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I'm pretty sure he could tell he was just a Super Saiyan.
Yes, he was, so? He considered him as monster as ever and made a recount of what happened during 7 years before of his defeat. As well as was confident on defeating him before LSSJ state enter into the movie.
 

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And what do you think of Koyama saying that Perfect Cell = Hatchyack?
The same thing I always think, Feats > Statements.

Koyama also said things like:

- "I am not the original author, Akira Toriyama, so I can not answer."
- "I don't have the data that quantifies the fighting power of all the characters that appear in DB at all times, so I can't conclude."
- "If you answer only by feeling, I think the power of Cell and Hatchiyack is about the same."

^ Its a misinterpretation. He says he doesn't know twice and when finally saying they were about equal he said beforehand that it was from feelings only. Meaning he has nothing to support it and he even says so himself.
 
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