Perfect Cell = Hatchyack >= Broly LSSJ (M8)?

sapuramura

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Hatchiyack outright stated to be stronger than Broly in the movie
Bigbrain dbz fans: Nah, I think Broly is stronger.

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This. Takao Koyama always puts himself in the position of a fan, even with the characters he created. He doesn’t think of himself as a authority.

Still, I think it’s a bit interesting because the Hatchiyak OVA is clearly from the Cell Games era, while Movie 8 is before Vegeta and Trunks trained in the Rosat again.
He absolutely does for Broly. Several times on Twitter he had to repeat himself that Broly is the strongest Z anime character, bar none.


Then both the combined attack between the 4 SSJs and the Hatchyack attack were amplified.

Just from feats, I have Hatchyack a bit stronger than Perfect Cell, since Vegeta SSJ's Final Flash didn't give him any scratch, but Perfect Cell rivals Hatchyack anyway. I have Broly LSSJ (M8) right between the 2 of them. All 3 are in the same league.
Final Flash damaged a suppressed Perfect Cell. With Hatchiyak being about equal to "Perfect Cell" and performing so well against Cell Games-level Z Fighters it means that is what full power Perfect Cell could do.
 

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He absolutely does for Broly. Several times on Twitter he had to repeat himself that Broly is the strongest Z anime character, bar none.



Final Flash damaged a suppressed Perfect Cell. With Hatchiyak being about equal to "Perfect Cell" and performing so well against Cell Games-level Z Fighters it means that is what full power Perfect Cell could do.
I don't normally take Takao Koyama seriously.

Takao Koyama's comment about "the future villains are stronger than the previous ones" I don't take seriously, and he himself comments on the Toei website about Janemba > Hiudegarn (these are his general comments)

So he probably contradicts himself

I prefer to take Daizenshuu and such seriously
 

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I don't normally take Takao Koyama seriously.

Takao Koyama's comment about "the future villains are stronger than the previous ones" I don't take seriously, and he himself comments on the Toei website about Janemba > Hiudegarn (these are his general comments)

So he probably contradicts himself

I prefer to take Daizenshuu and such seriously
He just made a general statement that they have to up the stakes with each new movie so they will have an even stronger Villain in each future movies, which is 80%+ True.
Garlick is weaker than Wheelo who is weaker than Turles who is weaker than Slug. It isn't clear who is stronger Slug or Cooler due to inconsistencies in lord slug movie, but Cooler from "coolers revenge" is weaker than Cooler from the next movie "coolers return" who is weaker than Super 13 who is weaker than Broly. Bojack is the only villain where we can 100% say that he's weaker than the previous Villain. Then Goes Broly again and now stronger than in his previous movie, then comes bio Broly, it's the same Broly again so no real contradiction here even tho he is defeated by plot/water. The only real contradiction is indeed Janemba and Hirudegarn.
So in the end that statement doesn't apply to Bojack and Hirudegarn, but everything else is mostly true.
 

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He just made a general statement that they have to up the stakes with each new movie so they will have an even stronger Villain in each future movies, which is 80%+ True.
Garlick is weaker than Wheelo who is weaker than Turles who is weaker than Slug. It isn't clear who is stronger Slug or Cooler due to inconsistencies in lord slug movie, but Cooler from "coolers revenge" is weaker than Cooler from the next movie "coolers return" who is weaker than Super 13 who is weaker than Broly. Bojack is the only villain where we can 100% say that he's weaker than the previous Villain. Then Goes Broly again and now stronger than in his previous movie, then comes bio Broly, it's the same Broly again so no real contradiction here even tho he is defeated by plot/water. The only real contradiction is indeed Janemba and Hirudegarn.
So in the end that statement doesn't apply to Bojack and Hirudegarn, but everything else is mostly true.
I agree

Even if some do not accept it, there is nothing to prove the contrary, only in favor

but would put

Broly (Movie 8) > Bio Broly
 

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Bojack is the only villain where we can 100% say that he's weaker than the previous Villain.
Are you sure? He dominates SSJs and gets one-shot by SSJ2 Gohan. With Hatchiyak ~ Perfect Cell > LSSJ Broly(M8) it could easily fit SSJ2 Gohan and Bojack above M8 Broly. I think the Hatchiyak game has an alternate ending where a powered-up Hatchiyak defeats SSJ2 Gohan though.

If you have SSJ2 Gohan only a 2x increase it would be harder to fit but I don't limit Gohan to 2x.
 

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Are you sure? He dominates SSJs and gets one-shot by SSJ2 Gohan. With Hatchiyak ~ Perfect Cell > LSSJ Broly(M8) it could easily fit SSJ2 Gohan and Bojack above M8 Broly. I think the Hatchiyak game has an alternate ending where a powered-up Hatchiyak defeats SSJ2 Gohan though.

If you have SSJ2 Gohan only a 2x increase it would be harder to fit but I don't limit Gohan to 2x.
Well then if we go by what you said then Koyamas statement is 90% true.
 

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Are you sure? He dominates SSJs and gets one-shot by SSJ2 Gohan. With Hatchiyak ~ Perfect Cell > LSSJ Broly(M8) it could easily fit SSJ2 Gohan and Bojack above M8 Broly. I think the Hatchiyak game has an alternate ending where a powered-up Hatchiyak defeats SSJ2 Gohan though.

If you have SSJ2 Gohan only a 2x increase it would be harder to fit but I don't limit Gohan to 2x.
You say Super Hatchiyack?

Film 9 continues with weaker Vegeta and Trunks, what counts is Gohan in the film

But yes he was easily defeated by Gohan SSJ2

Broly (Movie 8) was defeated by a Goku (Toei Power Up) who was considered to have a ki 1000x for courage (but hardly anyone will accept)

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