Piccolo > Goten & Trunks SSj (Post-RoSaT)

[ahill1]

Like Tapion said, not always the stronger shows up, like when Boo took Dai Kaioshin's appearance despite South being stronger.

 

[kriss-]

The Kaioshins are a horrible counter-argument. It has been made painfully clear that Kaioshins are simply not compatible with Majin Boo, under every other scenario it works the same. Even Super Boo recognized this when he planned to absorb Piccolo and Gotenks.

 

[ahill1]

While the boost provided by the Kaioshin's absorptions was implied to be bigger, as others incompatibilities like Kaioshin's energy not being able to fill up Boo's meter, there's nothing contradicting the example Tapion gave. Dai Kaioshin coming out as the strongest can imply that it's not the stronger foe who always come out.

 

[kriss-]

The Kaioshins were not compatible with restoring Majin Boo's energy -and when Boo did absorb Kaioshins, it had weird effects on his body that were contradictory towards the additive effects that everybody else had. An inconsistent formula does not override a consistent one.

Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now!

 

[Pocket-God]

'Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now!'

 

[kriss-]

'Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out weak now!'

 

[Evil Vegeta]

When Goku transformed straight to Super Saiyan 2 to stall Fat Boo, no one on the Kaioshin world sensed it.

That alone tells us Super Saiyan 2 isn't strong enough to be sensed from that distance.

As for Gotenks: Super Saiyan Gotenks defused into Super Saiyans, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks defused into Base Gotenks and then the Base Kids not too long after. My personal theory is Gotenks Boo was able to push the fusion beyond its normal limits since he had it for over ten minutes. After using every last bit of the fusion, it just returns the kids to Base altogether.

There's really no consistency to Boo. We see that Piccolo Boo has Piccolo's weights on, but the Piccolo Boo from later looked different altogether. Honestly, I just look at how Piccolo reacted to the kids full-power and go from there. Trying to figure it out this way is impossible.

 

[kriss-]

In Battle of Gods -where Akira Toriyama himself wrote all the dialogue, Goku says he will use Instant Transmission to go and ask Old Kaioshin about Beerus. He's clearly sensing Kibitoshin. This is rephrased in Dragonball Super as well. These statements come at a time where Vegeta was already considered more effective against Pure Boo than Kibitoshin from someone whose special ability is working with the latent capabilities of the greatest fighters in the Universe.

Super Saiyan 2 power is implied to be strong enough to be sensed from that far away.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That's not the same thing. Super Saiyan 3 Goku's power reached the world because it was powerful enough. if the power wasn't the point, then why did Kibito say it was?

Goku admits he couldn't find Kibitoshin at all in Super, or was the quote different?

You said no one was on the Kaioshin world while Super Saiyan 2 was active. People were on the Kaioshin world when he turned Super Saiyan 2 to fight Fat Boo, so.

 

[kriss-]

Goku specifically tells us multiple times that he has to sense someone's Chi in order to teleport great distances. If Goku is able to traverse that great distance based solely on Kibitoshins Ki reading -he said he couldn't do it anymore because Kaioshin was too weak, than the suggested battle power required to be sensed from across that distance is nothing higher than Majin Vegeta.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Or Goku just can't sense the Kaioshin world from that distance.

He immediately sensed Gohan there after he returned to Otherworld. It's very possible he just can't sense from that far.

 

[kriss-]

Super Saiyan 2 power is definitely high enough to be sensed across that distance, and it can reasonably argued that it just reaches the Kaioshin world, whereas Super Saiyan 3 power goes way beyond it.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Then why didn't they sense Super Saiyan 2 Goku when he went straight to full-power? They sensed Super Saiyan 3 like a min or so later.

 

[kriss-]

As you said before, all scenarios are not universal. There is no reason to disregard an implication made by Akira Toriyama himself.

A reasonable explanation is that one would need to focus in order to notice the Ki.

 

[Tapion]

Saying that the Kaioshins aren't compatible is an horrible counter. ONLY Dai Kaioshin was shown not to be compatible with Buu, and it is not because he is a Kaioshin, but because of his personality. South Kai actually powered Buu up.

 

[SSJ2]

When Goten and Trunks defused they transformed back into Super Saiyans first:

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5
Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”

It doesn't really matter what Herms says in his translation because the artwork clearly says otherwise.

Piccolo > Goten & Trunks SSj (Post-RoSat) > Goten & Trunks SSj (Pre-RoSaT)

Now let this silliness end.

This doesn't seem to be the case when Gotenks is using SSJ3. SSJ3 Gotenks first regresses into Base Gotenks, and then defuses into Base Goten and Trunks respectively.

 

[Papasmurf]

Not to mention that the only reason the boys transformed to Super Saiyans before merging was because it was more difficult to transform after fusing until training in the Rosat. Following this they seem to have no need to do so, and have not since first battling Super Boo. The fusion being undone seems to return the fusees to the state they were in prior to merging, which is why SSJ Vegetto defused into base Goku and Vegeta.