Piccolo W/ Weights vs Gohan

[Power Level Guy]

Goku blaming Vegeta for killing Reacoom after that was honestly lol worthy when he kicked Nappa's ass to the point of no return over killing his friends that he meets like once every 4 years. I'd have killed Reacoom's bitch ass in a hearbeat if he did that to my kin.

haha yeah, good point. "No, don't kill him!" Breaks Nappa's back in half. Haha

 

[Papasmurf]

Well Gohan still should have powered up from fighting Nappa and Vegeta and he did a month of mental training with Kuririn pre-Namek so I'd put him moreso around 1400 here.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Well Gohan still should have powered up from fighting Nappa and Vegeta and he did a month of mental training with Kuririn pre-Namek so I'd put him moreso around 1400 here.

Makes sense to power him up a bit then.

 

[Papasmurf]

you could say 1500 wasn't his FP on Namek I guess.

 

[Power Level Guy]

you could say 1500 wasn't his FP on Namek I guess.

Yeah I've heard people argue that. But for me, they are both at full power, Krillen just has the weighted shirt on. Maybe shoes too. But yeah...

 

[Papasmurf]

Kuririn had sneakers on, I doubt those were weighted.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Kuririn had sneakers on, I doubt those were weighted.

Yeah, so it's just the shirt. We see him take off his weighted boots in the Saiyan Saga, guess he just kept the shirt on...

Damn, Piccolo is really piss weak in this Vegeta Saga.

I think he gets hurt bad by Krillen's finisher, he probably dies to Chaozu's suicide blast, Tien's Kikoho, and Gohan's Masenko.

How strong do you have Chaozu? Can he fight a Saibaman?

 

[Papasmurf]

I think he'd still lose to a Saibaman. Might be able to freeze one in place, but not do decisive enough damage due to the power gap. He would only be able to kick them and once he moves his hands at all, he's getting oneshotted. At best the Saibaman gets tired of being rendered immobile and blows up on Chaozu killing then both

 

[Power Level Guy]

I think he'd still lose to a Saibaman. Might be able to freeze one in place, but not do decisive enough damage due to the power gap. He would only be able to kick them and once he moves his hands at all, he's getting oneshotted. At best the Saibaman gets tired of being rendered immobile and blows up on Chaozu killing then both

Why do you consider him so low? One shotted by a Saibaman? You don't think he's hitting at least 1,000?

It isn't until later arcs that he completely can't keep up.

Chaozu rivaled Krillen and Yamcha at the 22nd, at the 23rd he's not up to par, but I don't think they are one shotting him, do you?

Do you have Yajirobe > Chaozu here? And at the 23rd Budokai?

I like Chaozu at 1,000 and Yajirobe at 800.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why do you consider him so low? One shotted by a Saibaman? You don't think he's hitting at least 1,000?

It isn't until later arcs that he completely can't keep up.

Chaozu rivaled Krillen and Yamcha at the 22nd, at the 23rd he's not up to par, but I don't think they are one shotting him, do you?

Do you have Yajirobe > Chaozu here? And at the 23rd Budokai?

I like Chaozu at 1,000 and Yajirobe at 800.

If his potential was shit enough that he went from rivaling Kuririn and Yamcha to being literally written out of the finals by a suppressed Tao while doing the same training as everyone else, it's likely he fell behind quite a bit during the 11 month wait for the Saiyans too. I'm not a guidebook homer but I don't care enough to dispute the 600ish Daizenshuu level for him.

 

[Power Level Guy]

If his potential was shit enough that he went from rivaling Kuririn and Yamcha to being literally written out of the finals by a suppressed Tao while doing the same training as everyone else, it's likely he fell behind quite a bit during the 11 month wait for the Saiyans too. I'm not a guidebook homer but I don't care enough to dispute the 600ish Daizenshuu level for him.

Yeah, and losing to Tao is a lot worse than losing to Shen. Yajirobe is probably ahead of Chaozu now that you mention that.

Oh yeah, Chaozu is def one shot material for Tien. Tao is respectable strong though for sure, he's not just a pure chump.

My issue is this.

If...

Chaozu Suicide Blast > Expected Nappa >>> Chaozu

Then what would a Saibaman do to Nappa? Could a Saibaman actually kill Nappa? I find that hard to believe.

Chaozu most likely can kill Piccolo, that's pretty damn strong don't you think?

 

[Papasmurf]

Chaozu's suicide blast likely has a bigger amp. The Saibamen were just born and likely don't have much Ki control to speak of.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Chaozu's suicide blast likely has a bigger amp. The Saibamen were just born and likely don't have much Ki control to speak of.

That works. But yeah, I'll have to reconsider my position for Chaozu, there's no way he made up any ground on the Z-team.

Yajirobe seems to be pretty respectable. You good with him being 800 or so?

 

[Papasmurf]

sure