Piccolo's various attacks in the 23rd

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This is an attempt to catalogue/differentiate Piccolo's attacks in the 23rd Budokai. His attacks all look incredibly similar and it's hard to discern which is which. This is just my opinion of course.

1. Makosen

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This is the attack that Old Piccolo Daimao used to critically injure Goku. This attack looks very similar to it, and given the lack of charging it seems to be Piccolo's most basic attack with little amplification.

2. Bakurikimaha.

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Young Piccolo Daimao used this attack but was only seen releasing it with one arm. Given that this attack is clearly higher effort than the first attack and even created a mushroom cloud, it leads me to believe that it's the more highly amplified Bakurikimaha. As to why he uses two arms here, my guess is that it's because he's not worried about accuracy so much as having a wider blast radius, so he doesn't need to control this blast by holding onto his arm when firing it. Therefore it's the same attack, just a less controlled version.

3. 'Super' Bakurikimaha

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I'm calling this the Super Bakurikimaha as Piccolo is clearly amplifying this to the maximum here. He has an aura and charges it substantially, and the blast radius was even larger than the prior one. This is basically his Super Kamehameha variant.

4. Homing Bakurikimaha

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This is where we see Piccolo using an arm to stabilize his other arm similar to how Piccolo Daimao did, and it makes sense in the context of firing an accurate homing attack. This attack is weaker than the Super Bakurikimaha given the fact that Goku calls it "basic". That said, it's still powerful in its own right as Piccolo expected it to be a finishing attack on Goku, or at the very least one that would dramatically turn the tides. So this attack should far surpass the Makosen, and is likely just the standard Bakurikimaha but with a homing component.

5. Chōbakuretsumaha

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Self explanatory. Piccolo's ultimate attack.
 

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Is the last attack similar to the attack that tired Vegeta used when he tried to end the fight for good in the Saiyan-Saga (but was so injured he couldn’t)?
 

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Yeah I think it's the same attack more or less. The guidebooks consider them to be the same attack type if memory serves.
 

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What about the mouth blast and the final blast he tried on Gokuu
 

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I'll add those. I haven't gotten to them in my reread so I forgot.
 

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Is the chobakuretsumaha more powerful than any of the other attacks or just harder to dodge

Why did he stop using the attacks? The one that's as powerful a boost as a super kamehameha would be very useful.
 

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Yes it was considered to be Piccolo’s trump card. It far exceeded everything up to that point. Being hard to dodge is a part of it but the power behind it was the central focus.

You mean in general or in the 23rd specifically? After the 23rd he developed the Makankosappo which was far superior.
 

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Excellent write up. All of this proves the Light Grenade is no doubt beyond a 1.5x boost, sending nerfers every where into a tizzy.
 

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Excellent up. All of this proves the Light Grenade is no doubt beyond a 1.5x boost, sending nerfers every where into a tizzy.

But the post doesn’t even discuss amp? And don’t you have the Light Grenade at 1.66x?
 

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Amplification is discussed in the post, I just didn't provide exact numbers.
 

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Yes it was considered to be Piccolo’s trump card. It far exceeded everything up to that point. Being hard to dodge is a part of it but the power behind it was the central focus.

You mean in general or in the 23rd specifically? After the 23rd he developed the Makankosappo which was far superior.
In general. Makankosappo had a long charge time, but this baruki would have 2/3rds the amplification without a big charge time. Why not use it on 2nd form Freeza?
 

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He does use a similar attack to it, one with a really wide blast radius.

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He also uses this against Imperfect Cell. This might be the evolution of it.
 

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I looked up the meaning behind the names of some of the attacks.

I think a lot of people know that “Ha” means “wave”, so it does make sense that Piccolo used the Bakurikimaha in the beam struggle. I thought he used the Makosen, but the Makosen is more of a rapid fire attack: “Sen” means “Beam, ray”, making it closer to the Death Beam or the Dodonpa*.

@Power Level Guy check this out. Makosen = Dodonpa = Death Beam?

*The “Pa” in Dodonpa seems to be a variation of “Ha” (Wave) making the english “Dodon Ray” more accurate.

Another interesting thing about Piccolo’s attacks: Both Bakurikimaha and Bakuretsumaha translate to “Exploding Demon Wave”, but there’s a subtle difference in japanese.

Baku = Explosive
Riki = Power // Retsu = Burst
Ma = Demonic
Ha = Wave

Bakuriki means “exploding power” (So the explosion bit is just an adjective), while Bakuretsu is a literal explosion.
 
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@Power Level Guy check this out. Makosen = Dodonpa = Death Beam?
That's what I'm going with.

Untrained Kamehameha as well. My issue is what is this big blast Piccolo uses against the Super Kamehameha? And is it not more amped then the Explosive Demon Wave Piccolo Daimao used?

Both Bakurikimaha and Bakuretsumaha
What's the second one about?

First one is Piccolo Daimao's ultimate attack and Piccolo Jr uses it as a homing attack, right?
 

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Untrained Kamehameha as well. My issue is what is this big blast Piccolo uses against the Super Kamehameha? And is it not more amped then the Explosive Demon Wave Piccolo Daimao used?

As I explained in my post, it’s probably the same as Piccolo Daimao’s attack. No reason to assume it’s more amped since it lost to the Super Kamehameha.

What's the second one about?

First is Piccolo Daimao’s attack, second is the big explosive wave.
 

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Piccolo and Goku are treated as equals throughout the entire 23rd, it's a central theme of the arc. It only makes sense if Piccolo has crafted his own attack that surpasses the amplification from 3 years ago. Unfortunately it just wasn't by as much as what Goku managed.

Piccolo rips into Goku while against Raditz because he didn't improve his arsenal of attacks. That would be hypocritical if his attacks were still limited to what Piccolo Daimao could do.
 

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Original Bakurikimaha destructiveness:
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23rd version:

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In my mind these are the same attacks. The one that happens against the Super Kamehameha should naturally be better due to it being charged up. Piccolo has an aura there and is clearly all out compared to this initial version.
 

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So

Explosive Wave > Super Kamehameha > FP Bakurikimaha > OG Bakurikimaha > OG Kamehameha?

I think the homing blast is a Bakurikimaha variant based on the gesture. But is it the FP version or the OG version? Not sure if Piccolo still had the stamina for such a big attack. Also the fact he only used it so late in the fight makes it look like more of a desperate attack than a proper powerhouse attack.

Tbf I think the fact Piccolo could turn the Bakurikimaha into a proper wave (Whereas Daimao's version was just a big explosion) is already an improvement. Not that it negates an amp improvement, but it shows he already improved the attack in some way.
 

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