Pocket-God's Power Levels

[Pocket-God]

Saiyan Saga

Bad Guys-

Vegeta: 18,000 | Full Power Oozaru: 180,000 | Weakened Oozaru: 30,000
Nappa: 5,500 | Full Power 7,250
Raditz: 1,200
Saibamen: 1,200 | Rage Quit: 2,400

Good Guys-

Goku: 9,001 | Kaioken: 18,002
Piccolo: 2,250
Tien: 1,800 | Spirit Tri-Beam: 3,600
Yamcha: 1,500
Krillin: 1,450 | Scatter Energy Wave: 2,175
Gohan: 981 | Enraged: 2,800
Yajirobe: 900
Chiaotzu: 800 | Goodbye Tien: 1,600


Namek Saga

Bad Guys-

Frieza: 530,000 | 2nd Form: 1,060,000 | FP 2nd Form: 1,590,000 | 3rd Form: 2,120,000 | Final Form: 100,000,000 | Final Form: 120,000,000
Captain Ginyu: 120,000 | Ginyu inside Goku: 23,000
Jeice: 40,000-42,000
Burter: 40,000-42,000
Recoome: 40,000-42,000
Zarbon: 22,000 | Monster Form: 28,000
Dodoira: 20,000
Cui: 18,000
Guldo: 7,250
Frieza Soldiers: 1,000-3,000

Good Guys-

Goku: 90,000 | Kaioken: 180,000 | Vs Frieza: 3,000,000 | Kaiokenx10: 30,000,000 | SSJ: 150,000,000
Vegeta: 24,000 | Post Zarbon: 30,000 | Post Recoome: 200,000 | Post Nap: 400,000 | Post Dende: 2,200,000
Piccolo: 358,000 | Fused with Nail: 1,600,000
Gohan: -
Krillin: -
Nail: 42,000

 

[Pocket-God]

Kay so it turns out I have no idea what Gohan's power level was, what's the average pl he's given?

 

[SSJ2]

Goku was only over 8,000. 9,000 was a mistranslation.

Gohan suppressed was 981, I don't think he really powered up until he got mad and released the Masenko, which was 2,800.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Kay so it turns out I have no idea what Gohan's power level was, what's the average pl he's given?

Gohan
-normal: 1.400
-enraged: 2.100
-massenko: 2.800

Also, your numbers are crap.

 

[freezamite]

Eh starting with the saiyan saga as usual, I'll add as I go along. Feel free to make any suggestions on what I should change or add.
Note; this is my first time bothering with a power levels list so expect it to be pretty bad.


Saiyan Saga

Bad Guys-
Vegeta: 18,000 | Full Power Oozaru: 180,000 | Weakened Oozaru: 90,000
Nappa: 5,500 | Full Power 7,250
Raditz: 1,200
Saibamen: 1,200 | Rage Quit: 2,400

Good Guys-
Goku: 9,001 | Kaioken: 18,002
Piccolo: 2,250
Tien: 1,800 | Spirit Tri-Beam: 3,600
Yamcha: 1,500
Krillin: 1,450 | Scatter Energy Wave: 2,175
Gohan: ?
Yajirobe: 900
Mime Guy: 800 | Goodbye Tien: 1,600

Weakened Oozaru was much, much weaker than 90.000. When Vegeta turned into an Oozaru he already had been beaten by Goku (KKx3 and KKx4) despite using his best techniques (Garlick-Ho) and he also wasted a lot of energy in order to make the artificial moon.
At best, the weakened Oozaru was at 30.000 units of power.

Regarding Nappa, he was above Goku (which was "above 8.000" not "above 9.000"). Despite having lost part of his strength he still managed to put up a decent fight when he changed his attitude. In my opinion, Goku should be 8.100 more or less, while Nappa in perfect conditions and not affected by the stress could've been around 9.000 units of power or more.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Also, your numbers are crap.

You think everyone's numbers are crap.

 

[Pocket-God]

Weakened Oozaru was much, much weaker than 90.000. When Vegeta turned into an Oozaru he already had been beaten by Goku (KKx3 and KKx4) despite using his best techniques (Garlick-Ho) and he also wasted a lot of energy in order to make the artificial moon.
At best, the weakened Oozaru was at 30.000 units of power.

Regarding Nappa, he was above Goku (which was "above 8.000" not "above 9.000"). Despite having lost part of his strength he still managed to put up a decent fight when he changed his attitude. In my opinion, Goku should be 8.100 more or less, while Nappa in perfect conditions and not affected by the stress could've been around 9.000 units of power or more.

Mkay, I'll lower Oozaru Vegeta but I really doubt Nappa was that strong so I think I'll leave him where's at, Goku pretty much stomped him if I recall it correctly. As for Goku being over 9000 I just love that meme too much to have him under 9k XD
So where do you stand on Gohan?

 

[freezamite]

Weakened Oozaru was much, much weaker than 90.000. When Vegeta turned into an Oozaru he already had been beaten by Goku (KKx3 and KKx4) despite using his best techniques (Garlick-Ho) and he also wasted a lot of energy in order to make the artificial moon.
At best, the weakened Oozaru was at 30.000 units of power.

Regarding Nappa, he was above Goku (which was "above 8.000" not "above 9.000"). Despite having lost part of his strength he still managed to put up a decent fight when he changed his attitude. In my opinion, Goku should be 8.100 more or less, while Nappa in perfect conditions and not affected by the stress could've been around 9.000 units of power or more.

Mkay, I'll lower Oozaru Vegeta but I really doubt Nappa was that strong so I think I'll leave him where's at, Goku pretty much stomped him if I recall it correctly. As for Goku being over 9000 I just love that meme too much to have him under 9k XD
So where do you stand on Gohan?

Nappa is a bit tricky because he started to fight Goku while overly stressed and that's when he received a beating by Goku. But then he calms down and properly concentrates on the fight, and his overall capabilites nearly match those of Goku (both in speed and strength) despite him having been more injured and tired because of his previous fights (and the beating he receives from Goku).

Regarding Gohan, it depends on if he is in his enraged mode or if he isn't. If I recall it correctly he initially had 981 units but reached 2.800 when he fought Nappa. Later against Vegeta he should have a similar Power Level because he was enraged as well.

 

[Pocket-God]

Okay I added the numbers you suggested for Gohan and raised Nappa's full power PL, does it look a bit better now?

 

[freezamite]

Okay I added the numbers you suggested for Gohan and raised Nappa's full power PL, does it look a bit better now?

Yes, now the only change I would make to your list is Krilin's and Piccolo's power levels (and maybe Ten Shin Han as well). I would put Krilin at around 2.000 considering he killed 4 saibamen in a single attack (the attack was scattered so each individual energy blast derived form it had enough strength to kill a saibamen/raditz and part of the attack was wasted on Vegeta and Nappa) and then connected a couple of hits on Nappa and Piccolo was stronger so I think 2.500-2.600 for him would be good.

Other than that and Goku's >9000 (but if it's to honour the meme then it's justified as it is ), I think yours it's a pretty solid list (it was already much better than the Daizenshit guides even before you edited it).

 

[Pocket-God]

I currently have Piccolo at half of Nappa's casual PL, do you really think I should make it higher?
As for Krillin I don't think I've ever seen anyone have him that high in the saiyan saga before.

 

[Big Ank]

The Saibaimans were said to rival Raditz, which doesn't have to mean they are exactly equals. Nappa also wanted to show how strong the Saibaimans were, so the "riavling Raditz" should still be from an inferior position. So, Raditz at 1,250 works better imo.

Goku was said to be over 8,000, not 9,000. If he were over 9,000, then his Kaioken would be above Vegeta's power level. Consequently, Nappa should also be lowered, since he was at most as strong as base Goku.

Yamcha at 1,500 seems also excessive. He initially struggled against the Saibaiman and resorted to an after image + KMHMH, which still wasn't enough to kill the Cultivar. I'd not go beyond a 1.1x gap, personally. Same with Tenshinhan, I think a 1.5x gap over the Cultivar might be too much, considering he seemed to be using full effort, broke a sweat after the fight, which still didn't kill the Saibaiman. Vegeta also stated the Saibaiman underestimated Tenshinhan, so a 1.33x gap might be more appropriate here. Maybe even less, I don't know.

 

[Six Trails]

What makes you think Yamcha is stronger than Krillin? Krillin was consistently stronger ever since the 21st Budokai; what indicates that the status quo changed?

 

[Big Ank]

Yeah I forgot to mention that. Kuririn shouldn't be surpassed by Yamcha, nothing indicates it.

 

[Pocket-God]

Oh that's pretty much just bias on my part XD

 

[freezamite]

I currently have Piccolo at half of Nappa's casual PL, do you really think I should make it higher?
As for Krillin I don't think I've ever seen anyone have him that high in the saiyan saga before.

Well, he was certainly stronger than Yamcha and considering his feat and even giving to his attack a power concentration superior to that of the KameHame Ha (which was a 2-2,5x increase in it's normal execution), Krilin still needs to be at around 2.000 in order to do what he did.

Regarding Piccolo, I scale him higher only because it's confirmed that he was stronger than Krilin. Since Nappa always hit Piccolo with "delicacy" (they didn't want him dead to interrogate him about the Dragon Balls) it's not possible to accurately measure how strong he was so technically speaking having him at half of Nappa's stressed/casual PL it's not incorrect, but on the other hand, the stronger Piccolo is the easier is to justify what he could endure/do during that fight (he damaged Nappa a bit even if it all was surprise attacks).

The Saibaimans were said to rival Raditz, which doesn't have to mean they are exactly equals. Nappa also wanted to show how strong the Saibaimans were, so the "riavling Raditz" should still be from an inferior position. So, Raditz at 1,250 works better imo.

Raditz could also be 1,190 units, and considering the blow at 1307 was fatal to him, the closer he is to that number the smaller the power gap needed for a "complete dominance" of a fight is.
Considering you're one of the biggest defenders of the "millions of units of increase" in the later sagas, 1,250 units for Raditz would automatically contradict the rest of your numbers.

 

[Big Ank]

Raditz could also be 1,190 units

Well, Nappa said the Saibaimans rival Raditz in power and considering the context of Nappa wanting to show how strong they were, I think if they were equal or below it, Nappa would mention that instead. Also, it's said by Toriyama in a interview that Raditz was slightly above the Saibaimans.

and considering the blow at 1307 was fatal to him, the closer he is to that number the smaller the power gap needed for a "complete dominance" of a fight is.

It also could be said Raditz lost Shouki from having Goku squeeze his tail, making him significantly weaker by the time Gohan went enranged.

1,250 units for Raditz would automatically contradict the rest of your numbers.

How so?

 

[freezamite]

Well, Nappa said the Saibaimans rival Raditz in power and considering the context of Nappa wanting to show how strong they were, I think if they were equal or below it, Nappa would mention that instead.

I don't think 10 units would make for a big enough difference to be mentioned.

Also, it's said by Toriyama in a interview that Raditz was slightly above the Saibaimans.

Well, that would support 1200 (or a bit higher) for Raditz which also had better techniques. But 1250 is too close to Gohan's 1307 (it really was a fatal blow considering how weakened Raditz ended after it).

It also could be said Raditz lost Shouki from having Goku squeeze his tail, making him significantly weaker by the time Gohan went enranged.

Hmmm I always had the impression that as soon as the tail is released they regain their strength. But it's true that I also can't remember if that's stated anywhere so if we assume there's a period time in which Raditz was still recovering and Gohan attacked during that period, then the 1250 for Raditz becomes a plausible possibility.

How so?

The smaller the gap needed to completely dominate a fight, the smaller the jumps in strength between characters and sagas. But I like your pow on the subject, if there isn't a scene that directly contradicts that I may even take it as the better approach to the scene, since I also found a bit forced that a 1307 headbutt (even if done at full force) could do so much damage to a 1200 fighter.

 

[Big Ank]

Goku stated that his power was drained everytime his tail was grabbed as a child, so I figure it should have the same effect with Raditz, who has the same weakness.

However, I'd not put Raditz any higher than 1,300, considering his mortal reaction towards the Makankosappo.

 

[freezamite]

Goku stated that his power was drained everytime his tail was grabbed as a child, so I figure it should have the same effect with Raditz, who has the same weakness.

However, I'd not put Raditz any higher than 1,300, considering his mortal reaction towards the Makankosappo.

Raditz got pretty scared in front both the 1330 Makankosappo and the 1307 headbutt, so that proves that he was below those numbers. If what you say about him not recovering his energy instantly when grabbed by his tail and then released from the grab, then 1250 for Raditz in normal conditions and 1100 when he received the headbutt would be a really good approach to that scene.