Power Chain from Yadrat Goku to Android Arc

[Let's Go Fearless!]

So this is not an easy one to me.

SSJ Vegeta:
SSJ Goku:
SSJ Trunks:
Piccolo:
Android 20 pre/post:
Android 19 pre post:
Sick Goku:
Expected Androids
Yadrat Goku

You can arrange it if the chain is wrong.

 

[Pakl]

SSJ Vegeta: 480,000,000
SSJ Goku: 450,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 360,000,000
Piccolo: 335,000,000
Android 20 pre/post: 200,000,000, 225,000,000
Android 19 pre post: 170,000,000
Sick Goku: 285,000,000
Expected Androids 300,000,000
Yadrat Goku 235,000,000

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why do you have #20 stronger than #19 even pre absorbtion?

 

[Six Trails]

SSJ Vegeta: 480,000,000
SSJ Goku: 450,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 360,000,000
Piccolo: 335,000,000

Why would Trunks be grouped in with the Super Saiyans and not Piccolo if Trunks was much closer to Piccolo than he is Goku/Vegeta?

Why would Tenshinhan say Goku shouldn't be too different from Trunks if Trunks was at 80% of Goku?

These make no sense.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

SSJ Vegeta: 450,000,000
SSJ Goku (Healthy): 420,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 400,000,000
Sick SSJ Goku: 360,000,000 and getting weaker
Piccolo (Weighted: 250,000,000) - (Weightless: 315,000,000)
Dr. Gero (Pre): 90,000,000 - (Post): 225,000,000
Android 19: 60,000,000/(Goku's Kamehameha: 135,000,000)/Goku's Ki: 200,000,000

 

[Pakl]

SSJ Vegeta: 480,000,000
SSJ Goku: 450,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 360,000,000
Piccolo: 335,000,000

Why would Trunks be grouped in with the Super Saiyans and not Piccolo if Trunks was much closer to Piccolo than he is Goku/Vegeta?

Why would Tenshinhan say Goku shouldn't be too different from Trunks if Trunks was at 80% of Goku?

These make no sense.

Trunks is said to be able to put up a fight vs the androids in the future

Vegeta and Goku should be at their level though

Piccolo is close to Trunks

 

[Lord Brofist]

Without getting into numbers.

Group 1:

SSJ Vegeta
SSJ Goku

Group 2:

SSj Trunks
Piccolo (I'd be willing to switch up Trunks and Piccolo if need be)

Group 3:

Post No. 20
Post No. 19
Sick Goku (Again these three I could more or less switch around a bit. Post No. 19 was putting the hurt on Goku once he absorbed the Kamehameha but this is also when Goku was losing power. For sake of things I'll just have normal "Sick" Goku rivaling Post-No. 19 if nothing else. I mean its not like Sick Goku wrecked No. 19 as bad as Vegeta did.

Group 4:

Pre- No. 20
Pre- No. 19

Group 5:

Yardrat Goku (I personally have the cyborgs a good distance away from Yardrat Goku but if some of you have them a bit closer to him so be it I guess.

 

[Pakl]

Yardat Goku cant be weaker than 19 pre...

 

[Lord Brofist]

Give me one good reason why not?

 

[Pakl]

Use your numbers
Its impossible to have them that high based on 17 sayibg he used less than half his power vs Gohan

 

[Lord Brofist]

I don't see what the problem is?

Gohan was probably a bit over Namek SSJ Goku and by the time of his death, getting near to Yardrat Goku. Obviously No. 17 would have had to use more power at this point near Gohan's death.

It's already established that the cyborgs were well above Post-Yardrat Goku so how does this equal Pre-No. 19 and Pre-NO. 20 weaker than Yardrat Goku?

 

[Pakl]

It was stated the original androids are stronge but Piccolo then thinks the androids are not so tough

Let's see:

Future SSjin Gohan in his initial debut is 160,000,000 right?
after training he should be 200,000,000 ok?
40% Future 17 is between them at 180,000,000
That makes his full power at 450,000,000

Now, SSjin Trunks in the Androids Arc is said to be able to put up a fight against them making him at best 400,000,000

Piccolo is weaker than Trunks but not by much so let's put him at 360,000,000 ok?

Now Piccolo had a massive gap over 20 after absorbing the ki which makes him at the very most at 260,000,000... He should be noticeably stronger than his pre state so at most he is at 220,000,000 before absorbing the ki which makes him even weaker than Yardat Goku

The gaps just make no sense

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Remember, the Androids cannot be sensed.

 

[Lord Brofist]

See the thing is, you're just going by random numbers. That's not going to fly. I can make up any numbers I want too.

I can say Gohan was 170,000, trained would be 200,000.

I could say SSJ Yardrat Goku was at 250 million

I can say No. 17 full power was 500 million.

I can say No. 19 Pre was at 280 million.

I can do whatever numbers I'd like too and it would work just as well. The thing is though is that Piccolo's line gives the indication that the cyborgs were possibly as tough as Trunks noted and that the issue was that he and the others got too strong for their own good.

Even if one takes the second option where Piccolo notes that the cyborgs might not have been as bad as Trunks said, that can still put them above Yardrat Goku since the cyborgs were already supposed to be vastly above Yardrat Goku to begin with.

Remember, the Androids cannot be sensed.

But Goku can. Since everyone believes the cyborgs are supposed to be well above the likes of Yardrat Goku, if Goku's not fighting No. 19 above that level, then everyone knows that Trunks was wrong beause No. 19 is getting beat around at this point.

 

[Pakl]

No you can't.. You have to have the right gaps and such.. 17 was at 40% vs Gohan so you say he is as strong as Gohan at his prime which is not true... I showed that mathematically, it's not possible to have 19 and 20 stronger than Yardat Goku based on:

Future 17/18 > Androids Arc SSjin Trunks > Piccolo >> Gero Post > Gero Pre > 19 Pre> Yardat SSjin Goku > Mirai SSjin Trunks >/~ One Arm Future SSjin Gohan > 40% Future 17


It's impossible to have it all fit with the 2.5 gap lol

 

[Six Trails]

Not if you have Future #17 at 35% against One-arm Future Gohan

 

[Pakl]

When someone states he didn't use EVEN half of his power is always assumed to be 40%

Even if it was 35%.. It's still impossible.. My gaps have Gero pre as strong as Mirai SSjin Trunks which is good enough for Piccolo to wonder if the androids were not as strong as they were said

 

[Six Trails]

No it's not always assumed to be 40%. As long as it's in between half and 1/3rd it's fine.

<div class='spoiler_toggle'>Spoiler: click to toggle</div><div class="spoiler" style="display:none;">Freeza's revenge


Freeza
post cybernetic enhancement power up
~ 70% power: 112,000,000
--- Super Nova: 150,000,000
~ 100% power: 160,000,000

King Cold
~ full power: 90,000,000

Future Trunks
~ base: 4,200,000
~ Super Saiyan: 210,000,000

Son Goku
post Yardrat training
~ base: 4,800,000
~ Super Saiyan: 240,000,000

Vegeta
~ base: 4,000,000

Piccolo
~ full power: 3,600,000

Son Gohan
~ base: 900,000



The Future


Future Son Gohan
~ base: 2,800,000
~ Super Saiyan: 140,000,000
post left arm amputation
~ base: 3,800,000
~ Super Saiyan: 190,000,000

Future #17
~ max power: 500,000,000 (infinitely)
~ 35% power: 175,000,000

Future #18
~ max power: 500,000,000 (infinitely)



Arrival of the Androids


Son Goku
~ base: 9,600,000
~> Super Saiyan: 480,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (sick): 320,000,000

Piccolo
~ suppressed: 8,000,000
~ full power: 400,000,000
post re-merge with Kami-sama
Kamiccolo
~ weighted: 720,000,000
~ full power: 800,000,000

Son Gohan
~ base: 7,200,000

Kuririn
~ full power: 6,000,000

Yamcha
~ full power: 4,000,000

Tenshinhan
~ full power: 5,000,000

Android #19
~ max power: 240,000,000
post ki absorbtion
~ max power: 300,000,000

Vegeta
~ base: 10,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 500,000,000
--- Big Bang Attack: 600,000,000

Android #20 (Dr. Gero)
~ max power: 280,000,000
post ki absorbtion
~ max power: 340,000,000

Future Trunks
~ base: 9,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 450,000,000

Android #17
~ max power: 800,000,000 (infinitely)

Android #18
~ max power: 700,000,000 (infinitely)</div>

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

I don't use PLs, but at least I can show you the power chain.

Present Androids
Future Androids(true power)
Expected Androids=Future Androids(toying)
Android Saga SSJ Vegeta
Trunks Saga/Android Saga SSJ Goku
Android Saga SSJ Trunks
One armed SSJ Future Gohan

Piccolo
Two armed SSJ Future Gohan
Sick Super Saiyan Goku
19 Post-Absorbtion
More sick Super Saiyan Goku
Post Absorbtion Dr.Gero

Base Dr.Gero
Base 19

Base Vegeta

 

[Lord Brofist]

Future Gohan: 150 million

One Armed Gohan: 220 million

Yardrat Goku: 220 million

No. 17: 500 million

40% No. 17: 200 million

NO. 19: 230 million

No. 20: 250 million

Well that was easy. See its very easy to get these numbers down and hell I'd was just doing them randomly there. Anyone can get No. 19 and No. 20 stronger than Yardrat Goku.
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I've already pointed out that Piccolo's remark leads to the point where No. 19 and No. 20 were already getting near Future No. 17 and Future No. 18 and even taking into account his second option of them not being as strong as Trunks said still leads them to being potentially stronger than Yardrat Goku.