Power Chain from Yadrat Goku to Android Arc

[SSJ2]

SSJ Vegeta: 450,000,000
SSJ Goku: 425,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 400,000,000
Piccolo: 360,000,000
Android 20 pre/post: 170,000,000 / 300,000,000
Android 19 pre post: 160,000,000 / 280,000,000
Sick Goku: 270,000,000
Expected Androids: ?
Yadrat Goku: 230,000,000

 

[Pyro]

Future 17 - 425
Vegeta - 400
Future 18 - 390
Goku - 380
Trunks - 365
Piccolo - 300
Sick Goku - 285
Expected Androids - ~270?
Android 20 post - 250 (really gotta raise him)
Android 19 post - 225
Yardrat Goku - 225
Android 20 pre - 200
Future Gohan - 190
Android 19 pre - 185
Future 17 (< half) - 170

:elmo

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Not exactly the way I'd like it, but something like that:

Vegeta ~ 540
Goku ~ 520
Trunks ~ 470
Sick Goku ~ 420
Piccolo ~ 390
Android #20 (post-absorptions) ~ 325
Android #19 (post-absorptions) ~ 295
Android #20 ~ 210
Android #19 ~ 180
Goku (post-Yadrat) ~ 300

I don't know about Expectations.

 

[Pakl]

you see its impossible to have the androids stronger than Yardat Goku

 

[Pakl]

Future Gohan: 150 million

One Armed Gohan: 220 million

Yardrat Goku: 220 million

No. 17: 500 million

40% No. 17: 200 million

NO. 19: 230 million

No. 20: 250 million

Well that was easy. See its very easy to get these numbers down and hell I'd was just doing them randomly there. Anyone can get No. 19 and No. 20 stronger than Yardrat Goku.
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I've already pointed out that Piccolo's remark leads to the point where No. 19 and No. 20 were already getting near Future No. 17 and Future No. 18 and even taking into account his second option of them not being as strong as Trunks said still leads them to being potentially stronger than Yardrat Goku.

So why didn't you use the latter SSjins to show the gaps?? Yardat SSjin Gku was blocking SSjin Trunks's sword with his finger and Trunks was at least as strong as Gohan... Yardat Goku is well ahead of Gohan

Its literally impossible just look at the posts which used numbers

 

[Pyro]

you see its impossible to have the androids stronger than Yardat Goku

Which androids are you talking about? Pre-absorption?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Future 17 - 425
Vegeta - 400
Future 18 - 390
Goku - 380
Trunks - 365
Piccolo - 300
Sick Goku - 285
Expected Androids - ~270?
Android 20 post - 250 (really gotta raise him)
Android 19 post - 225
Yardrat Goku - 225
Android 20 pre - 200
Future Gohan - 190
Android 19 pre - 185
Future 17 (< half) - 170

:elmo

How do you raise him?

It doesn't work, unless I think you decrease Android #17's power to less than a 3rd of what he used.

 

[Pyro]

Future 17 - 425
Vegeta - 400
Future 18 - 390
Goku - 380
Trunks - 365
Piccolo - 300
Sick Goku - 285
Expected Androids - ~270?
Android 20 post - 250 (really gotta raise him)
Android 19 post - 225
Yardrat Goku - 225
Android 20 pre - 200
Future Gohan - 190
Android 19 pre - 185
Future 17 (< half) - 170

:elmo

How do you raise him?

It doesn't work, unless I think you decrease Android #17's power to less than a 3rd of what he used.

Raise Trunks and Goku's levels higher from Mecha Freeza. Gives more room.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Future 17 - 425
Vegeta - 400
Future 18 - 390
Goku - 380
Trunks - 365
Piccolo - 300
Sick Goku - 285
Expected Androids - ~270?
Android 20 post - 250 (really gotta raise him)
Android 19 post - 225
Yardrat Goku - 225
Android 20 pre - 200
Future Gohan - 190
Android 19 pre - 185
Future 17 (< half) - 170

:elmo

How do you raise him?

It doesn't work, unless I think you decrease Android #17's power to less than a 3rd of what he used.

Raise Trunks and Goku's levels higher from Mecha Freeza. Gives more room.

Oh yeah, I completely didn't think about that.

That's right. That could work.

 

[Pyro]

How do you raise him?

It doesn't work, unless I think you decrease Android #17's power to less than a 3rd of what he used.

Raise Trunks and Goku's levels higher from Mecha Freeza. Gives more room.

Oh yeah, I completely didn't think about that.

That's right. That could work.

I'll have to go over the fight again. I'm having a difficult time giving Piccolo a big enough advantage over 20 while remaining moderately below the Super Saiyans, with 20 being enough to stomp Trunks.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Raise Trunks and Goku's levels higher from Mecha Freeza. Gives more room.

Oh yeah, I completely didn't think about that.

That's right. That could work.

I'll have to go over the fight again. I'm having a difficult time giving Piccolo a big enough advantage over 20 while remaining moderately below the Super Saiyans, with 20 being enough to stomp Trunks.

Android #20 could be in the lowest range to stomp Trunks, since Piccolo did doubt it.

Like:

Vegeta - 100
Goku - 95
Trunks - 87
Piccolo - 72
Android #20 - 60
Trunks - 48

 

[Six Trails]

Where would 19 post be?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

~ 55

if you asked me

 

[Pyro]

Perhaps I could lessen the gap between 19 Post and Trunks. I usually take Vegeta's comments to mean 19 could beat Trunks without much trouble, but not tear him apart with ease.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It could be like a suppressed Cell/Goku gap.

 

[Kyo]

I'm having a difficult time giving Piccolo a big enough advantage over 20 while remaining moderately below the Super Saiyans, with 20 being enough to stomp Trunks.

I tend to have a difficult time with this as well. This part of the arc's not *too* hard to figure out without numbers, although with numbers it's a pain.

Future #17 (<50%): 80
Future Gohan: 92
Future Trunks: 100
Post-Yardrat Goku: 115
#20 post: 137
Piccolo: 165
Android Arc Trunks: 190
Android Arc Goku: 205
Vegeta: 210
Future #18: 210
Future #17: 228
#18: 290
#17: 315

Eh something like that. Could be better, came up with it in a rush.

One Armed Gohan: 220 million

Yardrat Goku: 220 million

Gohan said he was weaker, bro. Hell, he was weaker than Trunks too.

I've already pointed out that Piccolo's remark leads to the point where No. 19 and No. 20 were already getting near Future No. 17 and Future No. 18

Nah, Piccolo never met the Future 'droids, they have nothing to do with his comment. 19/20 are nowhere near those guys, ever. Given Trunks's comments during the Vegeta/#18 fight we know they're likely around Vegeta's level. Trunks's comments about fighting fairly well against them lends more credibility to that stance as well.

Edit: I'm referring to the future cyborgs in the last two sentences, excuse the shitty syntax.

 

[LordBeefdip]

17: 375,000,000
18: 335,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 290,000,000
SSJ Goku: 280,000,000

SSJ Trunks: 190,000,000
Piccolo: 190,000,000 (Post Kami Fusion): 380,000,000
Android 20 pre/post: (Pre): 140,000,000 (Post): 160,000,000)
Android 19 pre post: (Pre): 130,000,000 (Post): 175,000,000
Sick Goku: 180,000,000 and falling
Expected Androids: 190,000,000+
Yadrat Goku: 165,000,000

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

Vegeta: 450,000,000
Goku: 420-425,000,000 and getting weaker due to Heart Virus
Trunks: 400,000,000
Piccolo: 315,000,000
Yardrat Goku: 250,000,000
Debut Trunks: 200,000,000
19 (Post): 200,000,000
Dr. Gero (Post): 220,000,000
Dr. Gero (Pre): 90,000,000
19 (Pre): 60,000,000

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Super Saiyan Vegeta-283,500,000
Super Saiyan Goku-270,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks-268,125,000
Piccolo-252,000,000
Artificial Human #20-185,000,000
Artificial Human #20 (post)-231,435,000
Artificial Human #19-180,000,000
Artificial Human #19 (post)-230,850,000
Sick SSJ Goku-225,000,000
Expected Artificial Humans-Anywhere from their actual levels to ~250-260 mil
Yadrat SSJ Goku-195,000,000

 

[Six Trails]

Son Goku
<small>post Yardrat training</small>
~ Super Saiyan - 240,000,000
<small>post 3 years Android training</small>
~ Super Saiyan (sick) - 320,000,000
~ Super Saiyan - 480,000,000

Piccolo
<small>post 3 years Android training</small>
~ full power - 400,000,000

Vegeta
<small>post 3 years Android training</small>
~ Super Saiyan - 500,000,000

Trunks
<small>post training in the Future</small>
~ Super Saiyan - 450,000,000

Android #19
~ max power - 240,000,000
<small>post Ki absorption</small>
~ max power - 300,000,000

Android #20
~ max power - 280,000,000
<small>post Ki absorption</small>
~ max power - 340,000,000