Power of the Kaioshins

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We know that all of the Kaioshins (North, West, South, and Dai) were stronger than East Kaioshin, and we can assume that South Kaioshin is probably not too much weaker than Pure Boo, based on the statement of him somehow being absorbed. But how about North Kaioshin, West Kaioshin, and Dai Kaioshin? Is there anything to suggest they'd be closer to South Kaioshin than East Kaioshin or vice versa?
 

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Since the North and West were killed quickly, I'd think they're not that close to South Kaioshin.

Dai is the interesting one. Excluding the Anime, we don't really know if Boo just decided to absorb him or if there was an actual fight that convinced him to do so. Kaioshin got bodied by Boo, but the Manga doesn't clarify if it was Buff or Fat Boo that did it. If it was Buff Boo, then Boo simply didn't see any reason to absorb Kaioshin because he was too weak. That'd also mean Dai must've did something that made him worth absorbing.

If it was Fat Boo that beat Kaioshin down, it's possible the influence from Dai's absorption made him disregard the option of doing it once again. He was no longer an uncontrollable monster like he was previously.

As mindless as Boo is, Dai's absorption seems like a case of Boo expecting to gain power by repeating the previous (absorption) act that allowed him to become much more powerful.

I personally think Dai Kaioshin is the second strongest Kaioshin.
 

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This is also one of the reasons I like to use Super Saiyan 2 for Gohan vs Dabura. It allows me to make South Kaioshin as strong as possible while also not being able to remove the Zeta Sword.

I have South Kaioshin somewhere around Perfect Cell's full power. I have East Kaioshin much weaker than the rest, who all had respectable power. Ranging from 50-100% Perfect Cell. I think that's fair and shows respect to the Great Kaioshins.
 

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Gohan being drawn as a regular Super Saiyan against Dabra and while removing the sword makes him a regular Super Saiyan against Dabra and while removing the sword...
 

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If Gohan is a Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura, I think he would be while removing the sword as well. In the anime, I believe they show him to be Super Saiyan 2 also.
 

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Considering Shin worded his statement as "somehow" absorbed in regard to South Kaioshin, that would hint at South being stronger than Pure Boo, possibly by a significant amount. As for the whole topic of the Z-Sword, Kibito only stated that numerous Kaioshin had tried to remove it, not all. Even if assuming South did, that may not be solid proof that SSJ Gohan > South Kaioshin with the new info provided to canon, as you could assume that Beerus would've made it so that Shin-jin couldn't unseal Elder Kaioshits.
That, and Boo absorbing someone a dozen or so times weaker than him just because he's got big pythons doesn't make much sense. Whilst he indeed absorbed the far weaker Dai Kaioshin for some reason, I think assuming Dai had hax techniques or an interesting fighting style akin to Fat Boo's a plausible reason that meanwhile, can't be attributed to South Kaioshin when Shin's talk of his strength suggest his abilities centred on just brute force.

Following on from that, I'd say Dai Kaioshin should be equal to Good Boo, seeing as how Good Boo's existence is comprised of purely this Kaioshin.

As for the other two, they can be anywhere. They should be far below Dai Kaioshin in both power and abilities given that Boo saw no interest in them. I'd say they ought to be closer to Shin than to Dai Kaioshin, given the hype that Kibito and Shin passed around in regard to the Saiyans and Shin believing there was at least some correlation between the Z-Sword and power would suggest these average Kaioshin to be below MSSJ tier.
 

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Strength has nothing to do with being absorbed though. This has been proven time and time again. Gotenks was absorbed, Gohan and Vegetto, even though they had power advantages.

Somehow might be because Kaioshin wasn't there to witness it, I doubt it's a power statement. South Kaioshin being so strong is iffy man. That would be really strong. I think Kid Buu is stronger than all of them.

If you are the strongest around and you have nothing else to do, why not pull on the damn sword? Meh...

I don't abide by the new story, it's inferior imo.

South Kaioshin being that strong is pretty badass. Just don't know if I can buy another Super Saiyan 3 level'd fighter out there. Kaioshin strength shouldn't be that high imo. But Potara Fusion is stupidly powerful as well.

I'll have to look into that one as well, just don't know if I can buy into them being that strong.
 

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p123 said:
Strength has nothing to do with being absorbed though. This has been proven time and time again. Gotenks was absorbed, Gohan and Vegetto, even though they had power advantages.
Evil Boo is far smarter than Pure Boo though, so I don't believe it would be as easy for him to catch South Kaioshin off-guard as with Gotenks and Gohan, especially when unlike those two, South Kaioshin had no reason to just be standing still from what little we know.

Somehow might be because Kaioshin wasn't there to witness it, I doubt it's a power statement. South Kaioshin being so strong is iffy man. That would be really strong. I think Kid Buu is stronger than all of them.
That may be true, but it still seems like a weird addition for Shin to mention. There'd be no reason for Shin to add in "somehow" if South being at Boo's mercy was inevitable, especially when if so, a far more logical statement would've been "For some reason, Boo decided to absorb him."

If you are the strongest around and you have nothing else to do, why not pull on the damn sword? Meh...
Perhaps seeking further strength wasn't something he was interested in. We can't really say one way or the other, given we're provided absolutely nothing about his personality.

I don't abide by the new story, it's inferior imo.
Well that's a given, but it also doesn't change the fact that Toriyama's the one writing it. If we were to just cherrypick evidence based on what quality we perceive that part of the series to have, I may as well not abide by any post-Freeza Arc material due to the large drop in writing quality for the Cell/Boo Arcs.
 

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It's tough to think about. It's a rough situation. With Potara, we can easily see how Kaioshins can be supremely powerful. South Kaioshin being that strong would indeed be pretty bad ass, but I don't know man...

Yea, I don't go with Toriyama post 2000 or whatever. I think he lost his marbles all of this new creative stuff, I just chuck it out from my head canon.
 

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It's crazy to think that East Kaioshin even with Potara fusion would still be weaker than South Kaioshin... That's an immense gap.
 

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Well he fuses with weak ass Kibito. He's probably weaker than Super Saiyan Vegeta honestly.
 

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I don't think he has to be that weak. The only real requirement for his strength should be way weaker than Pure Boo.
 

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I'm sure he's weaker than Vegeta. Vegeta stands around to help out while Kibitoshin runs off. He is useless against Buu.
 

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Old Kaioshin says Kibitoshin was powerful (though he wasn't anything special beforehand), but not enough to fight Gotenks Boo directly. Also said he'd just end up getting absorbed. My guess is he was hyped up to fight Gotenks Boo because of the boost he received. Other than that, I have no idea how strong he is.
 

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To be fair, you could say that has to do with personality rather than comparing the power of the two. Shin's been shown to lack confidence in every conflict he's been close to in the arc with the exception of his initial delusions in wanting to help Goku against Gotenks Boo when fusing. Kibitoshin knows Pure Boo's strength better than anyone there, whereas Vegeta was still treating Boo as a joke prior to seeing SS3 Goku fight him to the point of having a janken game to decide who goes first.

I'd agree that SS2 Vegeta > Kibitoshin, but I wouldn't say the comparison is solid enough to be absolute when considering their vastly different personalities and intel.
 

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Well the universe shouldn't have to be destroyed because KibitoShin has personality issues. If he would have been useful, he would have stayed and helped save the universe. He is the Supreme Kaioshin after all, but his power is shit. Vegeta is stronger than him with Super Saiyan 2 for sure. The story doesn't make sense if that's not the case.
 

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p123 said:
Well the universe shouldn't have to be destroyed because KibitoShin has personality issues. If he would have been useful, he would have stayed and helped save the universe. He is the Supreme Kaioshin after all, but his power is shit. Vegeta is stronger than him with Super Saiyan 2 for sure.
The point I was making was that Kibitoshin knows just how powerful Boo is, whilst Vegeta believes he can be relevant until the fight actually starts. Sure, you could say Kibitoshin would've called Vegeta out if he was less capable than Kibitoshits, but considering how dead set Vegeta was on saying, I don't see why Shin would even bother.

The story doesn't make sense if that's not the case.
Shin forgetting about SS2 Gohan for half of the spaceship segment and Boo not reverting back to his grey form when fatty was removed already make the plot being nonsensical and poorly written a given.
 

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Well, KibitoShin thought he'd be useful against Buutenks. I don't think his ki sensing has gotten much better since he thought Pocus could kick his ass. Lol.

Yes, there are many other parts that don't make sense, so let's not add to them! KibitoShin > Vegeta is a travesty! Do you want us to get boo'd out of here?
 
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