Pre Gotenks Base/SSJ + Post Base

[Cell]

Is he though?

 

[Pocket-God]

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

ANything related with Base Gotenks are useless since Toriyama didn't even took him seriously and why should we? Also, he didn't prove anything other than he got beat up and embarrased himself. The fact that all feats of Base Gotenks are gag and his fight against Boo proved that even Trunks survived from Boo's punch which is ridiculous itself.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

I actually don't have first form Frieza insanely far above Ginyu because the only thing supporting that is his scouter number, and I abandoned scouter numbers a while ago.

Is there anything to prove Base Gotenks pre > Piccolo? His reaction could just be him thinking "Wow, that guy's way stronger than the other base Saiyans".

 

[Jeff Styles]

Is there anything to prove Base Gotenks pre > Piccolo? His reaction could just be him thinking "Wow, that guy's way stronger than the other base Saiyans".

Well if Piccolo was stronger, he would have stops Gotenks from going to fight Fat Boo, but he didn't, so good enough for me.

 

[SSJ2]

I actually don't have first form Frieza insanely far above Ginyu because the only thing supporting that is his scouter number, and I abandoned scouter numbers a while ago.

Is there anything to prove Base Gotenks pre > Piccolo? His reaction could just be him thinking "Wow, that guy's way stronger than the other base Saiyans".

Goku already made it clear that incredibly weak fighters would become extraordinarily stronger with Fusion. If anything, Piccolo being surprised means Gotenks exceeded any expectations he had.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I actually don't have first form Frieza insanely far above Ginyu because the only thing supporting that is his scouter number, and I abandoned scouter numbers a while ago.

Is there anything to prove Base Gotenks pre > Piccolo? His reaction could just be him thinking "Wow, that guy's way stronger than the other base Saiyans".

Why this question is being asked?

 

[GSM123]

SSJ pre is > SSJ3 Goku vs Fat Buu, Goku was saying that to everyone and IIRC Piccolo states SSJ Gotenks is the biggest Ki he ever felt. I don't care really much about Base Gotenks.
I really doubt base post > ssj pre. Piccolo seems to be really nervous and hopeless when the kids fuse, and states Gotenks might have a chance of winning. I think he was refering to the chances of beating a suppressed Buu.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

SSJ pre is > SSJ3 Goku vs Fat Buu, Goku was saying that to everyone and IIRC Piccolo states SSJ Gotenks is the biggest Ki he ever felt. I don't care really much about Base Gotenks.
I really doubt base post > ssj pre. Piccolo seems to be really nervous and hopeless when the kids fuse, and states Gotenks might have a chance of winning. I think he was refering to the chances of beating a suppressed Buu.

No he didn't, just confirm that Gotenks ki is absolutely incredable.

 

[Six Trails]

Not always, it's just statements don't mean much when there's almost nothing backing them up.

Why put the statements there if they're meant to mean the opposite of what's intended?

"Gotenks is really weak, weaker than Boo before the RoSaT in fact, and to show that Mr. Toriyama makes his characters say that Gotenks will be stronger than Boo and never has anyone say otherwise."

Sounds reasonable.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Piccolo admitted that Base Gotenks was incredible, but not enough to handle Boo.

If Base Gotenks was really weaker than Piccolo, I'm sure the line would've reflected such a thing.

"What's this? You want to challenge Majin Boo when you can't even defeat me? Sit your ass down!!"

 

[GSM123]

Piccolo > Base Gotenks isn't ridiculous at all. We saw Gotenks returns to base before defusing, and we also see that Piccolo was the dominant on Buu's body. If we consider Buu's dominant is the strongest, then Piccolo > Base Gotenks. I personally don't follow this and have Gotenks post > Piccolo > Gotenks pre, but not by a big gap.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It is pretty ridiculous. Piccolo thought Base Gotenks powered-up to the point where he might be able to do something against Boo. No reason for him to believe anything like that if Gotenks is weaker than himself.

Trunks said Super Saiyan 3 canceled their Fusion and made them separate. Against Boo, they reverted to Base beforehand. That tells us there's no consistency to how their Fusion ends. Keep in mind that Boo was able to push the limits of Fusion beyond 5 mins, so it makes sense for them to defuse right as the time ran out.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea, they acted surprised when they went from SSj3 to Base against Boo, as if it did not happen that way when they practiced in the RoSaT.

 

[Pyro]

Piccolo being stronger than Base Gotenks is purely ridiculous. His pre-RoSaT Base power was enough to elicit gawks and awes. Where was Piccolo's reaction? Where was Piccolo's credit this entire saga? Nowhere, because he was weak as shit in comparison to any of the relevant powers.

Post-RoSaT Base Gotenks being weaker than Piccolo is awful.

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Base Gotenks isn't even a relevant power. The Daizenshuu clarifies for the readers that pre rosat Gotenks was weaker than Vegeta, so there isn't any reason for fans to constantly grasp at straws trying to extrapolate statements when the official interpretation was already given. There is no discussion to be had about pre rosat Gotenks. He's trash compared to Boo but stronger than everyone else that was alive.

Piccolo was shown overestimating base Gotenks due to false hope, which we already know to be the case since base Gotenks did nothing to Boo, so anything that him or Trunks have to say on the matter is completely irrelevant.

 

[Six Trails]

Piccolo never overestimated Gotenks. Pre-RoSaT, he knew that Base Gotenks had no chance against Boo. Post-RoSaT, a more reasonable conclusion to come to is that Gotenks and Piccolo both underestimated Evil Boo (his Ki is "like a lie", after all) rather than saying they both came to the completely wrong conclusion.

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

No, Gotenks was overestimated and that's what's shown since the entire scene is a gag. Piccolo sensed Gotenks' "1" and Boo's "100" and thought that Gotenks had a chance for whatever reason because he was delusional from false hope.
You say that Gotenks not being overestimated is somehow more reasonable based on your own preconceived notions. It's shown otherwise. They already know how strong Boo is.

I've seen people try to milk Goku's "his ki is like a lie" throwaway statement to the extreme for quite a while now.
It means nothing. It doesn't mean that Boo's ki can't be read. All it means is that Majin Boo is so unbelievably strong that his ki is like a lie. All Goku is saying is that Boo is strong, nothing more. The reaching needs to stop.

 

[SSJ2]

Why was Piccolo never delusional in other moments? Shit argument.

 

[GSM123]

So... Where do you guys have Gotenks (Base and SSJ, pre and post) exactly? Can we use a different multiplier to his SSJ?