Pre Majin Vegeta vs Kid Gohan (CGs)

[ahill1]

Who wins?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Kid Gohan.

 

[Keedounan]

The Majin boost seems more significant than the gap between Majin Vegeta and CG Gohan, given that Spopovitch has gone from weaker than Satan to beating the crap out of Videl, Vegeta was talking about how the gap between him and Goku never changed when he was expecting him to be stronger than CG Gohan, and Piccolo couldn't establish an obvious difference between Majin Vegeta and CG Gohan.

With all that said, Gohan wins, and quite easily at that.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

There seems to be quite conflicting evidence on the matter. On one hand, Vegeta was assured that Gohan slacking off would allow him to reign supreme and didn't expect Gohan to have weakened anywhere near as much as he actually had. On the other hand, the gap between him and Goku was so great even a burst of Goku's SS2 power was enough for Vegeta to know he needed the Majin boost to get past the status-quo. Alongside that, Piccolo suggested the gap between Majin Vegeta and CG Gohan wasn't great.

To compromise, I tend to go with the idea that Gohan had a rage boost (or at least something akin to letting out more latent power) to increase his power when his Kamehameha obliterated SPC, so it'd have a chain of Boo Arc Goku = Majin Vegeta > Gohan (Burst of Rage) >> CG Gohan ~ Pre-Majin Vegeta. That said, I'd say Vegeta wins against the weaker version of Gohan due to superior skill, but is lacking in power enough to get stomped by Gohan at his peak in the Cell Games.

 

[Keedounan]

There seems to be quite conflicting evidence on the matter. On one hand, Vegeta was assured that Gohan slacking off would allow him to reign supreme and didn't expect Gohan to have weakened anywhere near as much as he actually had.

I think it's because had Gohan kept training, he would have most likely still been the strongest among the main cast, possibly even taking into account SSJ3 Goku (which he wasn't aware of yet).

 

[withheldforprivacy]

There seems to be quite conflicting evidence on the matter. On one hand, Vegeta was assured that Gohan slacking off would allow him to reign supreme and didn't expect Gohan to have weakened anywhere near as much as he actually had.

I don't think he was sure. He asked 'what about now'?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't think he was sure. He asked 'what about now'?

He also said on the plane ride that he was sure that he'd be the one who'd win the Budokai, and that was long before he saw how weak Gohan had actually gotten.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The Majin boost seems more significant than the gap between Majin Vegeta and CG Gohan, given that Spopovitch has gone from weaker than Satan to beating the crap out of Videl, Vegeta was talking about how the gap between him and Goku never changed when he was expecting him to be stronger than CG Gohan, and Piccolo couldn't establish an obvious difference between Majin Vegeta and CG Gohan.

With all that said, Gohan wins, and quite easily at that.

Doesn't it unlock potential so the boost would vary?

 

[Keedounan]

The Majin boost seems more significant than the gap between Majin Vegeta and CG Gohan, given that Spopovitch has gone from weaker than Satan to beating the crap out of Videl, Vegeta was talking about how the gap between him and Goku never changed when he was expecting him to be stronger than CG Gohan, and Piccolo couldn't establish an obvious difference between Majin Vegeta and CG Gohan.

With all that said, Gohan wins, and quite easily at that.

Doesn't it unlock potential so the boost would vary?

Yep. However, Vegeta was expecting to get a boost great enough to close the gap when he saw how strong Babidi's underlings got.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Perhaps it was a gamble, maybe? Vegeta also said he became Majin so that he would let go of his "soft" feelings.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I don't think he was sure. He asked 'what about now'?

He also said on the plane ride that he was sure that he'd be the one who'd win the Budokai, and that was long before he saw how weak Gohan had actually gotten.

He believed he could win against a rusty Gohan with skill, even if their powers were close.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He believed he could win against a rusty Gohan with skill, even if their powers were close.

He still didn't expect Gohan to have weakened by that much so even if that were the case, it'd still require him being relatively close to Gohan's CG self.

 

[ahill1]

Maybe that means Vegeta has progressed in the time separating his first comment at the capsule corporation and his confidence while on the ship? That, or Vegeta was being a little sarcastic when he wondered how he stacks up to Gohan now, as we can see, although barely, he smiling.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Maybe that means Vegeta has progressed in the time separating his first comment at the capsule corporation and his confidence while on the ship?

Doubtful. He'd been training intensely for 7 years by his own admission to both Gohan and Goku. I doubt he'd just suddenly make significant gains in what was...what, a month?

 

[ahill1]

Maybe that means Vegeta has progressed in the time separating his first comment at the capsule corporation and his confidence while on the ship?

Doubtful. He'd been training intensely for 7 years by his own admission to both Gohan and Goku. I doubt he'd just suddenly make significant gains in what was...what, a month?

He then wonders how he compares with the current Gohan, but then shows certaintity of his superiority on the day of the Torunament?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yes. I'd probably say your latter hypothesis in the previous post is the most likely option in explaining this.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I always thought Vegeta’s “What about now?” was a provocative rethorical question. Like he knows the answer but is just taunting Gohan.

Anyways, I think Vegeta takes this with mid to high difficulty.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Perhaps it was a gamble, maybe? Vegeta also said he became Majin so that he would let go of his "soft" feelings.

I meant gamble, not game.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

He believed he could win against a rusty Gohan with skill, even if their powers were close.

He still didn't expect Gohan to have weakened by that much so even if that were the case, it'd still require him being relatively close to Gohan's CG self.

He probably knew Gohan's skills were rusty, though.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Rusty skills alone don't make up for the opponent still having a significant power advantage though.