Pre-ToP Kids

[Power Level Guy]

So we all know Ssj Boys ~ Cell Juniors and Vegeta outright states that CG Trunks = Current Kid Trunks right before ToP.

So, does everyone think that this is their Post RoSaT power they had or have they gotten stronger? A little, a lot?

 

[SSJ2]

Were they not fighting all of the Juniors at once?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Were they not fighting all of the Juniors at once?

Yes, but the Jrs were holding back and Vegeta says that Kid Trunks is just as strong as Future Trunks.

So it gives us a clearer picture of what’s going on with the boys versus the Cell Jrs.

So if the Boys have this power in the Buu Saga, it is probably good to work around that.

Going to be tough to make it all fit though with the whole

Base Saiyans > Pui Pui > Kaioshib > Piccolo > Base Boys thing

Maybe that 10x gravity situation will force Pui Pui to be a nothing burger because I don’t see how it could fit.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

They must have improved post Z. Piccolo > Post Rosat Base Boys.

 

[Power Level Guy]

They must have improved post Z. Piccolo > Post Rosat Base Boys.

Any statements suggesting they improved? And by how much?

 

[SSJ2]

Yes, but the Jrs were holding back and Vegeta says that Kid Trunks is just as strong as Future Trunks.

So it gives us a clearer picture of what’s going on with the boys versus the Cell Jrs.

So if the Boys have this power in the Buu Saga, it is probably good to work around that.

Going to be tough to make it all fit though with the whole

Base Saiyans > Pui Pui > Kaioshib > Piccolo > Base Boys thing

Maybe that 10x gravity situation will force Pui Pui to be a nothing burger because I don’t see how it could fit.

Where is that found in the manga again?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Where is that found in the manga again?

Right before ToP. Is the statement Vegeta makes to 17. Then within the tournament right after Kefla loses or somewhere around there is when we see them fight the Cell Jrs.

I’m just trying to figure out if this is the best Post Rosat placement for them. It probably is Id imagine

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Any statements suggesting they improved? And by how much?

Super Hero Saga. Bulma says they only stopped training because they were grounded, and they're doing better than the Gammas.

They also suggest they're stronger than Piccolo (Pre wish) because they think Piccolo is in trouble if he's fighting Hedo's androids.

 

[Power Level Guy]

They also suggest they're stronger than Piccolo (Pre wish) because they think Piccolo is in trouble if he's fighting Hedo's androids.

How strong is Piccolo?

 

[SIAD]

@GreatSaiyaman123
@Power Level Guy

I think Piccolo (Pre Wish) is only a little stronger than Trunks and Goten today, since they knew that the next Android would be more powerful than Dinodroid.

Piccolo was a distant rival of Ultimate Gohan at the end of the Moro Arc and the latter was much more powerful than in the ToP, therefore, more powerful than the PSSJB of the ToP.

I think Piccolo (Pre Wish) managed to be almost on the same level as Ultimate Gohan (Final Arc Moro).

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

How strong is Piccolo?

As strong as you want him to be.

 

[Power Level Guy]

They also suggest they're stronger than Piccolo (Pre wish) because they think Piccolo is in trouble if he's fighting Hedo's androids.

I feel like this just suggests the old status quo AT considers...

Super Saiyans > Piccolo > Base Boys

I feel like in his head the boys, Gohan, Piccolo are all around the same power they had in the Buu Saga.

 

[Pyro]

Ch. 32, pg. 36.7
Context: Artificial Human #17 questions Vegeta if Trunks can handle watching over his island
Vegeta: “You saw how strong my son is, right? Trunks may be a kid now, but he’s just as good.”

I never considered it to mean CG Future = Present, but I guess that could make sense. I don't know if it's strict, though.

 

[SIAD]

Ch. 32, pg. 36.7
Context: Artificial Human #17 questions Vegeta if Trunks can handle watching over his island
Vegeta: “You saw how strong my son is, right? Trunks may be a kid now, but he’s just as good.”

I never considered it to mean CG Future = Present, but I guess that could make sense. I don't know if it's strict, though.

Considering all the times they criticize the kids for not being serious, it could still mean that SSJ Trunks >>> Future Trunks SSJ (CG), but because of how little they take the kids into account, it's like they're more or less equal.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta: “You saw how strong my son is, right?

This one is tricky. Does Vegeta know 17 saw the Cell Games?

 

[Power Level Guy]

I never considered it to mean CG Future = Present, but I guess that could make sense. I don't know if it's strict, though.

Vegeta says “you saw my son”, when did 17 see his son?

 

[Power Level Guy]

This one is tricky. Does Vegeta know 17 saw the Cell Games?

He implies he did right there in the statement.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Considering all the times they criticize the kids for not being serious, it could still mean that SSJ Trunks >>> Future Trunks SSJ (CG), but because of how little they take the kids into account, it's like they're more or less equal.

No, Vegeta outright states Kid Trunks = Future Trunks right here. It’s as clear as day.

 

[Pyro]

But...is it? How many times has it been "clear as day" and then revised?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah DBS always plays loose, even when it seems like it isn’t. SSJG “rivals” the GoDs, 17 is “almost as strong” as Goku” but he’s at least 2x weaker, etc.