Proving Boo doesn't know how strong he is

[kriss-]

(15) What is Majin Buu's power level?
- Giovanni Toso, London, England
T: The frightening thing about Majin Buu is his unknown, unfathomable power. Whether it's actually not that much, or whether it's really stupendous, Majin Buu himself probably doesn't know the answer.

Goku: When it comes to Majin Buu's strength, it's like a lie.

Yuppers, Boo's strength is definitely regarded as being inaccurate and like a lie.

Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P3.1
Goku: “…This is Majin Boo, right? This ki…what is it?...”

Boo's Chi doesn't feel normal in comparison to what he normally reads.

Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P12.2
Piccolo: “Da-damn it…! This Majin Boo is able to spot our ki!”

So Majin Boo can presumably sense Chi now.

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P1.3, P2.4
Context: after Gohan beats up on Boo
Gohan: “You can’t win…”
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Gohan: “I see…So you tried testing your power just to be sure, and I really was above you…That’s too bad, Majin Boo.”

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

So when Super Boo sensed Gohan's Chi from the World Of The Kai's, he didn't immediately KNOW that Gohan was definitely stronger than he was, he made a plan JUST IN CASE he was.

When Ultimate Gohan was standing right in front of him, Super Boo has to fight with Gohan to determine that he's stronger than he is because he's unable to compare himself to Gohan. He can sense his Chi but he doesn't fully know if he's stronger than he is. Every other character would have known other-wise.

Also, this proves why Boohan thought he could take on Super Vegetto. What an imbecile.

P.S.
That 'no matter what kind of guy appeared' is obviously a reference to Goku, because he remembers him.


Thoughts? Debunk me.

 

[ahill1]

When Evil Boo absorbed Gotenks, he said now he is the strongest Majin. He ain't gonna say that if he did not know his strength IMO.

Also, Super Boo at least know he is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, as he said Goku and Vegeta could not beat him at how they were.

Cell also thought he could beat SSJ2 Gohan, this doesn't mean he doesn't know how strong he is.

 

[kriss-]

When Evil Boo absorbed Gotenks, he said now he is the strongest Majin. He ain't gonna say that if he did not know his strength IMO.

Super Boo pre-determined that he would be stronger than anybody up until that point before he even achieved the form. So it doesn't necessarily have to mean he knows how strong he is.

Their power shrunk in proportion to their size. Of course they can't defeat him.

The Cell vs Kid Gohan SSj2 is actually evidence of suppression at higher Super Saiyan forms.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Fat Boo doesn't know his power not the other Boos.

 

[kriss-]

Super Boo didn't know his own strength. Because he had to attack Gohan in order to compare himself to him.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Super Boo didn't know his own strength. Because he had to attack Gohan in order to compare himself to him.

No, he had to fight Gohan in order to buy sometime. He already planned to absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks before Gohan arrived because he knew he can't beat him.

 

[ahill1]

Cell had to attack Gohan SSJ2 in order to know he is way surpassed. If going by this logic, Cell doesn't know how strong he is.

 

[kriss-]

Super Boo didn't know his own strength. Because he had to attack Gohan in order to compare himself to him.

No, he had to fight Gohan in order to buy sometime. He already planned to absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks before Gohan arrived because he knew he can't beat him.

Umm...

Gohan blatantly says he had to fight him to make sure he was really above him. Because Gohan was really above him, he had to buy time till the next fusion, so he fakes his death and runs away.

Cell had to attack Gohan SSJ2 in order to know he is way surpassed. If going by this logic, Cell doesn't know how strong he is.

Cell can sense Chi.

It infers suppression by my logic.

By your logic, it makes no sense.

 

[ahill1]

Gohan was not suppressed... He just achieved the SSJ2 Form, so he obviously could not suppress himself. It's like saying Goku SSJ could suppress his power in his fight against Freeza, and we know he only managed to do it later.

It could have to do with standing ki vs fighting ki, like the Z warriors thinking they had a chance against Vegeta and Nappa despite them not being able to suppress their powers. Or Yamcha saying SSJ Mecha Freeza saga Goku is that strong and he is not even fighting. But the same could be applied to Gohan vs Super Boo

Even Goten and Trunks thought Gohan had no chance against Super Boo, and they were almost trying to do the fusion.

 

[kriss-]

Gohan was not suppressed... He just achieved the SSJ2 Form, so he obviously could not suppress himself.

This is a fallacy.

Toriyama has stated that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are just powered-up variations of Super Saiyan 1. Therefore; because they had already mastered Super Saiyan 1, they can definitely suppress at higher Super Saiyan forms because they both derive from the original transformation, which was already mastered.

It could have to do with standing ki vs fighting ki

Now you're speculating.

It's a nice opinion, but I prefer my own. Cell was already fighting Gohan at that time.

Even Goten and Trunks thought Gohan had no chance against Super Boo, and they were almost trying to do the fusion.

Gohan didn't power-up until he actually fought Boo.

 

[Clearin]

If Boo's power really can't be sensed like Toriyama implies in that interview, the entire Boo saga becomes (even more) messed up when it comes to determining power chains.

 

[sei'taer]

Yes, buu doesn't know his own power, except for the like five times that he did?

Have you ever actually read the manga?

 

[kriss-]

Yes, buu doesn't know his own power, except for the like five times that he did?

Have you ever actually read the manga?

Please list those five times so that I may counter them.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

He already planned before he fought Gohan which make mean that he knew Gohan was stronger than him.

 

[kriss-]

Incorrect.

He said 'in case'. He doesn't know.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Incorrect.

He said 'in case'. He doesn't know.

He just have doubt. If he can't sense then there's nothing for him to doubt Gohan's power.

 

[sei'taer]

Also buu's entire conversation with gohan about fearing gohan was stronger and wanting to test it was absolute bullshit.

As he tells gohan after he absorbs gotenks, that that was the plan as soon as he sensed gohan in the afterlife. So he always believed gohan was stronger than him.

 

[kriss-]

Incorrect.

He said 'in case'. He doesn't know.

He just have doubt. If he can't sense then there's nothing for him to doubt Gohan's power.

What?


Use proper grammar please, when you don't, it makes it incredibly hard to try and ascertain what you're trying to say.

If you're saying that he sensed Gohan's power and determined that his Chi was greater than his own, than you're wrong. He can sense him from the Kaioshin realm, but it doesn't have to mean he's stronger than Boo. That's a reach on your part. And because no evidence exists to prove that Gohan was stronger than Boo before completing Kaioshins ritual, than we're right back to my original point.

He absorbed Gotenks in case someone stronger than him showed up.

 

[kriss-]

Also buu's entire conversation with gohan about fearing gohan was stronger and wanting to test it was absolute bullshit.

As he tells gohan after he absorbs gotenks, that that was the plan as soon as he sensed gohan in the afterlife. So he always believed gohan was stronger than him.

See my point above, I debunked this silly argument.

 

[Clearin]

I think Boo wasn't completely sure because he sensed Gohan when Gohan got angry at Elder Kaioshin and had that brief outburst. That was while Boo was on the lookout, but before he had fought Gotenks, in fact it was before Goten and Trunks had even entered the time chamber.

By that point Gohan's full power wasn't completely released yet, but it was about an hour or less away from being done, thus his power at that exact moment could simply have been around Super Boo's strength, thus leaving Boo unsure as to whether he was truly stronger or not (especially since Gohan only powered up for a brief instance, only really long enough for Boo to get a quick glimpse of it).