Pure Boo

[GSM123]

I’m going down a dark path now.

Spoiler

According to Vegeta, Boo’s return would be the end of Earth… But Gohan and Gotenks are powerful enough to beat Super Boo, so it must be referring to Pure Boo.

Plus there’s the Genki-Dama argument on how Gohan’s donations weren’t enough. Everybody on the Kaioshin Realm thought they would all be screwed if the Genki-Dama failed, what wouldn’t be the case if they could just bring Gohan via Porunga or Kibitoshin’s Kai Kai.

Don’t these all imply Goku and Pure Boo are the strongest beings by this point?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

For the first case, another Pure Boo would be another fighter with no reserve about blowing up the Earth at any moment. Gambling on Gohan's speed being enough to intercept Boo's attack in time when he may be on the other side of the planet (especially with how unimpressive flight speed feats are compared to combat speed scaling in the Boo Arc) isn't a good idea, and expecting Goten and Trunks to fuse in that timeframe is an even worse one.

As for the Genki-Dama, we never saw Gohan exhausting all of his Genki in the manga, and it'd make little sense to do so when even that 1/3 of Ki is essential for survival. Even if you were to suggest he did, that's still just 1/3 of his Ki, so at best it would be saying that the gap between he and SS3 Goku is smaller than given credit for.
That's not really relevant, however, as the main reason the Genki-Dama wasn't enough to destroy Boo at first was due to Goku lacking the Ki to fully utilise it, something Vegeta even comments on. Hell, Boo being no match for the Genki-Dama's actual power is made pretty apparent by how easily his Kamehaemha to counter it was vaporised.

Them not wishing for Gohan to be brought there is an interesting point, but still not the most solid plan. The Genki-Dama was still active and if Boo overpowered Goku enough to redirect it, Gohan may end up getting in the way as a major target depending on how long it took. The heat of the moment would also be a reason Dende wouldn't consider this, with Goku's life being in immediate danger. That, and Gohan had already given a portion of his Genki away and not being in peak condition could make him susceptible to Boo's unpredictability, being absorbed as South Kaioshin was, for instance.

 

[Future Warrior]

Gohan or Gotenks being far stronger than Pure Boo doesn't lend credit to the idea that they would still win the battle when knowing how South Kaioshin turned out, not to mention the fact that Boo doesn't seem to be the type of opponent that can be beaten with just physical strikes alone.

For the first case, another Pure Boo would be another fighter with no reserve about blowing up the Earth at any moment. Gambling on Gohan's speed being enough to intercept Boo's attack in time when he may be on the other side of the planet (especially with how unimpressive flight speed feats are compared to combat speed scaling in the Boo Arc) isn't a good idea, and expecting Goten and Trunks to fuse in that timeframe is an even worse one.

As for the Genki-Dama, we never saw Gohan exhausting all of his Genki in the manga, and it'd make little sense to do so when even that 1/3 of Ki is essential for survival. Even if you were to suggest he did, that's still just 1/3 of his Ki, so at best it would be saying that the gap between he and SS3 Goku is smaller than given credit for.
That's not really relevant, however, as the main reason the Genki-Dama wasn't enough to destroy Boo at first was due to Goku lacking the Ki to fully utilise it, something Vegeta even comments on. Hell, Boo being no match for the Genki-Dama's actual power is made pretty apparent by how easily his Kamehaemha to counter it was vaporised.

According to Herms, there's probably more to Ki than just those three components.

Well, the first thing to point out is that it’s not simply a 3-fold nature; Toriyama mentions genki, shouki, and yuuki only by way of example (I guess my translation doesn’t really make this clear enough). Toriyama says that ki also includes spiritual power such as vitality, soberness, and bravery (the word for “and” here is ya, indicating that the things listed aren’t exhaustive and there are other things that could be added). He says that “of course” ki includes these things, and the only obvious connection between those terms is that they’re spiritual/mental states with 気/ki in their name. So presumably, other spiritual or mental states that have ki in them could also be included.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku actually suggested bringing Gohan or Gotenks back to help fight Boo (IIRC).

 

[GSM123]

For the first case, another Pure Boo would be another fighter with no reserve about blowing up the Earth at any moment. Gambling on Gohan's speed being enough to intercept Boo's attack in time when he may be on the other side of the planet (especially with how unimpressive flight speed feats are compared to combat speed scaling in the Boo Arc) isn't a good idea, and expecting Goten and Trunks to fuse in that timeframe is an even worse one.

Goku’s reply to Vegeta was that they should just train so they can win one on one. Doesn’t sound like he was factoring Boo blowing up the planet or absorbing anyone, just a 1v1 fight.

Goku actually suggested bringing Gohan or Gotenks back to help fight Boo (IIRC).

Yeah, but the fact Goku talks about bringing both of them could make one think they’d have to fight together to beat Boo.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku’s reply to Vegeta was that they should just train so they can win one on one. Doesn’t sound like he was factoring Boo blowing up the planet or absorbing anyone, just a 1v1 fight.

Because that's what Goku wanted and his main reason for training Oob. He made it apparent when destroying Boo that he was disappointed in not being able to best Boo in a 1 V 1 battle and desired a rematch to settle the score. That's not to say Boo would want the same.
Also, unlike Gohan and Gotenks, Goku can instantly get to this hypothetical 2nd Pure Boo via Shunkan Ido to intercept any planet destroying attempts.

Yeah, but the fact Goku talks about bringing both of them could make one think they’d have to fight together to beat Boo.

As Future Warrior said, Boo isn't an opponent that can be dealt with through raw power alone. It'd be better to be cautious in dealing with him and put everything on the table.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku’s reply to Vegeta was that they should just train so they can win one on one. Doesn’t sound like he was factoring Boo blowing up the planet or absorbing anyone, just a 1v1 fight.

Because that's what Goku wanted and his main reason for training Oob. He made it apparent when destroying Boo that he was disappointed in not being able to best Boo in a 1 V 1 battle and desired a rematch to settle the score. That's not to say Boo would want the same.
Also, unlike Gohan and Gotenks, Goku can instantly get to this hypothetical 2nd Pure Boo via Shunkan Ido to intercept any planet destroying attempts.

Yeah, but the fact Goku talks about bringing both of them could make one think they’d have to fight together to beat Boo.

As Future Warrior said, Boo isn't an opponent that can be dealt with through raw power alone. It'd be better to be cautious in dealing with him and put everything on the table.

I thought you quoted me for 1 sec. because the 2nd quote had my name on it and I was like "when did I say that"?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku actually suggested bringing Gohan or Gotenks back to help fight Boo (IIRC).

Yeah, but the fact Goku talks about bringing both of them could make one think they’d have to fight together to beat Boo.
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IIRC the line was or instead of and.

 

[GSM123]

Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, I went and checked as-well. Either-way I think it's once again looking too deep into a line that's not meant to be looked into deep. AT said he wrote easy-to-understand dialouge by his own admission IIRC. Saying bringing them back just goes back to the "new generation" protecting on. Something Goku was apparently really big on in the Boo saga, not that they will gang-up on Boo.