Reconsidering my stance on the humans.

[SSJ2]

Is that all three of them or just Ten and Krilly?

All, but Yamcha was always lagging behind.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8408085/1/

I can't say I get behind that. But my head has too much filler and not enough manga. So I may be missing key pieces of information. Tenshinhan at 100 million makes me unhappy there, although I can meet at Krillin being 85 million.

Just my initial reaction.

I don't like it either, but that was the general consensus at one time.

I usually thought the humans would cap out around a hypothetical 30% Freeza, so about 40,000,000 for me.

 

[Southern Gothic]

All, but Yamcha was always lagging behind.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8408085/1/

I can't say I get behind that. But my head has too much filler and not enough manga. So I may be missing key pieces of information. Tenshinhan at 100 million makes me unhappy there, although I can meet at Krillin being 85 million.

Just my initial reaction.

I don't like it either, but that was the general consensus at one time.

I usually thought the humans would cap out around a hypothetical 30% Freeza, so about 40,000,000 for me.

Admittedly I am running of a lack of evidence, but here's how I feel.

The humans, after perhaps Gero's comments, don't recieve any comments to their power. Even in an offhanded sense. Like when Piccolo walked out of the RoSaT, Goku basically gave him a courtesy nod. It's something, an acknowledgement.

Age of course. I can't keep any of the humans in there prime past the age of fifty. And that's really, really pushing it. Goku and Vegeta are still fighting to the max towards there, so 40 would be more realistic. I might even say they started to decline at that point, and perhaps train to slow the incline.

Which would make the humans peak at the end of the Cell Saga, I believe.

No special training either. The non humans had constant means of increased training after Namek. Using and abusing Senzues and gravity. Multiple RoSaT trips. Transformations.

I feel the need to lowball the humans.

 

[SSJ2]

One reason to keep the humans lower is that they didn't even bother to enter the RoSaT for training, implying that it would make no difference. However, that does nothing to disprove them being at 50% Freeza tier, because he would be useless in the Cell Games too.

Agreed that they'd get gradually weaker after the Cell Games.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I've always been okay with them at 50% Freeza teir, at least for Krillin. And Ten right behind.

Although my dirty little secret is that I put Yamucha at 1,000,000 even.

Shhh...it doesn't hurt.

 

[Kyo]

Funny story: I went to your profile and looked through the threads you made, and upon seeing this one I assumed by the title you mean your stance on the human race in real life or something along the lines, not realizing that this was posted in the DBZ section. I guess that says a lot, huh?

But since I'm bumping this, I might as well add that I tend to rank them fairly high I suppose (not sure what the consensus is but I tend to have them in the tens of millions, not quite hundreds), with the SSJ multiplier reducing to compensate. I tend to not really rank the Base Saiyans though and just leave it at a vague "the multiplier is different."

 

[ahill1]

Krueger, KP, Ghostface are all the same?? Whoa. lol. In 2011~2012 Pojo had p123, Kenshi, Ghostface, COH, Victorious and others... whoaa what an amazing forum.

For the humans I usually have:

Kuririn ~ Goku base(trunks saga)
Tenshinhan ~ Trunks base(trunks saga)
Yamcha ~ Piccolo(trunks saga)

Kuririn 10,000,000
Tenshinhan 8,500,000
Yamcha 7,000,000

 

[p123]

Last time I did some numbers I believe I had the Super Saiyan boost at 3x to make Gero's claims somewhat plausible. 3-5x is probably in the right zone. 10x was actually too much in my findings.

But yea, the way to explain the boost lowering and the issues it causes with the Trunks Saga and so on is a huge headache. No real recovery from that.

 

[Pyro]

That list is embarrassing to look at nowadays. I had forgotten it existed.

As for the topic, I'm still on board with the petty humans being in the low millions.

 

[p123]

I don't know KP. The humans weren't as worthless as some suggest. They certainly don't seem to be 10x weaker than the Base Saiyans or anything.

 

[Pyro]

I don't know KP. The humans weren't as worthless as some suggest. They certainly don't seem to be 10x weaker than the Base Saiyans or anything.

Why's that? The only notable feat — if you could even call it that — is Tenshinhan dodging Gero's eye beams with Base Goku. I don't recall any other comparisons.

Oh, unless you're talking about Gero assuming the humans' energy will propel him to Super Saiyan Vegeta level.

 

[SSJ2]

Gero's eyes are < Piccolo Daimao. It's not an impressive feat.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8444996/1/

 

[Pyro]

Gero's eyes are < Piccolo Daimao. It's not an impressive feat.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8444996/1/

I said it in that thread, but Gero wasn't exactly aiming to destroy the continent with his beams. He just wanted a battlefield suited for a fight.

 

[SSJ2]

Gero's eyes are < Piccolo Daimao. It's not an impressive feat.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8444996/1/

I said it in that thread, but Gero wasn't exactly aiming to destroy the continent with his beams. He just wanted a battlefield suited for a fight.

That was a troll thread.

It's clear that if Base Goku felt the need to dodge the beams, they must be decently powerful.

 

[Pyro]

Gero's eyes are < Piccolo Daimao. It's not an impressive feat.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8444996/1/

I said it in that thread, but Gero wasn't exactly aiming to destroy the continent with his beams. He just wanted a battlefield suited for a fight.

That was a troll thread.

It's clear that if Base Goku felt the need to dodge the beams, they must be decently powerful.

It may have been a troll thread, but it got the point across.