*REDID 1st half of Cell arc* My Power Levels (edit of ahill1's).

[xmysticgohanx]

Freeza arc

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Gohan : 1,500

Kulilin : 1,500
~No weights : 1,700 (ahill1 uses 1700 also. Boost is about a third less than Saiyan arc Goku/Piccolo because he took off a third of stuff)

Kywi : 18,000

Doduria : 22,000 (ahill1 used 20k. Daiz numbers are weird, I know)

Zarbon : 23,000 (ahill1 used 22k. Daiz numbers are weird, I know)
~Monster : 28,000

Vegeta : 24,000
~Zenkai : 29,500

---Ginyu's arrival

Gurd : 10,000 (ahill1 had 8k)

Kulilin (potential unlocked) : 13,000 (ahill1 used 11k)
~Vs Ginyu (Goku) : 31,000 (ahill1 used 23,750)

Gohan (potential unlocked) : 14,000 (ahill1 used 12k)
~Vs Ginyu (Goku) : 34,000 (ahill used 26k)

Vegeta : 29,500
~Post Reacoom Zenkai : 50,000

Reacoom : 35,000 (ahill1 used 40k)

Berttu : 35,000 (ahill1 used 40k)

Jheeze : 35,000 (ahill1 used 40k)

Nail : 42,000

Ginyu (suppressed) : 64,000
~Full power : 120,000

Son Goku (suppressed) : 5,000
~Bursts : 63,500
~Full power : 90,000
~Kaioken : 180,000


---fight against Freeza


1st form Freeza : 530,000 (ahill1 had an inital pl of 400k with 530k being his full power)

Vegeta : 480,000

Kuririn : 260,000 and rising

Son Gohan : 320,000 and rising
~Enraged : 1,000,000 (@ahill1 misspelled enraged, only saying it because he'll read this)
~Zenkai : 640,000

2nd form Freeza : 1,000,100 (ahill had 1,060,000)
~Powered up : 1,100,000 (ahill had 1,200,000)
~Full power : 1,400,000

Piccolo (arrival on Namek) : 225,000 (ahill1 had 270k. Piccolo should be weaker than 1st form Freeza divided by 2)
~No weights : 300,000 (ahill1 had 324k)
~W/Nail : 1,125,000 (ahill had 1,200,000, Nail's boost is cleaner at 5x)
~No weights : 1,500,000

3rd form Freeza : 1,850,000

Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,600,000
~Masenko : 1,800,000

Vegeta (post Zenkai) : 2,300,000 (ahill1 had 2,400,000)
~Blast : 2,600,000 (ahill1 had 3m)

True form Freeza : 2,300,000 (ahill had 2,400,000)
~Embarassing Vegeta : 3,000,000 (ahill had 3,250,000)
~50% : 60,000,000 (ahill used 140m as a base)
~70% : 84,000,000 (ahill used 140m as a base)
~100% : 120,000,000 (ahill had 140m. Daiz numbers are weird, I know)

Son Goku : 3,000,000
~Kaioken x10 : 30,000,000
~Kaioken x20 : 60,000,000
~Kamehameha : 65,000,000 (ahill had 72m)
~Super Saiyajin : 150,000,000

Cell arc

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the future

Future Son Gohan (2 arms) : 2,800,000
~SSJ : 140,000,000

Future Son Gohan (1 arm) : 3,600,000
~SSJ : 180,000,000

Future Trunks (age 14) : 62,000
~SSJ : 3,100,000

Future Trunks (age 17) : 4,000,000
~SSJ : 200,000,000

Future #17 (less than half/38%) : 160,000,000
~Full power : 420,000,000

Future #18 : 381,000,000 (ahill has 389m)


---Freeza's revenge

Yamucha : 665,000 (ahill has the same at 200k. 200k gives clean ~7.5x boost next arc)

Tenshinhan : 830,000 (ahill has 260k. 350k gives clean ~7.5x boost next arc)

Kulilin : 910,000 (ahill has 400k. 453k gives him a clean ~7.5x boost next arc)

Son Gohan : 1,000,000 (ahill has 900k. 1m is cleaner and gives him a 7.5x boost in 3 years.)

Piccolo : 3,300,000

Vegeta : 3,500,000

King Kold : 84,000,000 (ahill1 has 80m. I have Cold = to 70% Freeza)

Mecha Freeza (suppressed) : 84,000,000 (ahill has 80m)
~Full power : 170,000,000 (ahill1 has 160m)

Future Trunks : 4,500,000 (ahill has 4m, Imo Trunk's gap on Freeza is like Vegeta vs Kyui)
~SSJ : 225,000,000 (ahill has 200m)

Son Goku : 5,500,000 [ahill has 4.5m. Goku > Goku (expected) > Trunks]
~SSJ : 275,000,000 (ahill has 225m)


---Androids arrival


Yamcha : 5,000,000 (ahill has 3m)

Tenshinhan : 6,200,000 (ahill1 has 3.9m. Tenshinhan should be kinda close to Goku given how Tenshinhan needed to somewhat struggle more to avoid the same Gero eye beam in the same panel)

Kuririn : 6,800,000 (ahill has 4.5m)

Son Gohan : 7,500,000 (ahill has 5.6m)

Son Goku : 9,300,000 (ahill1 has 7.6m)
~SSJ sick : 310,000,000 (ahill has 240m. Should be a great deal above his Yardrat arc self per Tenshinhan's reaction. Also 1.5x less than full power)
~SSJ : 465,000,000 (ahill has 380m)

#19 : 230,000,000 (ahill has 192m. I made the inital sickness and #19 gap around Vegeta vs Kyui / KKx3 Goku vs Vegeta . Should it be?)
~Post absorptions : 310,000,000 (ahill has 240m. Both of us have him = to initial sickness Goku)

Vegeta : 10,200,000 (ahill has 8m)
~SSJ : 510,000,000 (ahill has 400m)

#20 : 253,000,000 (ahill has 210m)
~Post absorptions : 330,000,000 (ahill has 255m)

Piccolo : 380,000,000 (ahill has 300m)

Future Trunks : 8,200,000 (ahill has 7m)
~SSJ : 410,000,000 (ahill has 350m)

#18 : 690,000,000 (ahill has 530m)

#17 : 760,000,000 (ahill has 600m. Both of us have him = with Kamiccolo who is 2x Piccolo based on Guru's statement)

Piccolo (w/Kami weighted) : 570,000,000 (ahill has 530m)
~No weights : 760,000,000 (ahill has 600m)
~Gekiretsu Kodan : 910,000,000 (ahill has 840m)

1st form Cell : 505,000,000 (ahill has 460m)
~Post absorptions : 1,250,000,000 (ahill has 1.2b.)

#16 : 1,250,000,000 (ahill has 1.2b)

Semi Cell : 2,000,000,000 (ahill has 3.5b)
~Full power : ? (ahill has 5.25b)

 

[Animelover5487]

Dodoria and Zarbon are too close to First Zenkai Vegeta.

Guldo being at 10k is far too much. Vegeta said Guldo was a weakling.

Vegeta is too close to Recoome. Recoome tanked a fairly amp'd blast from Vegeta with cosmetic damage and beat him to the brink of death in only a few attacks.

Powered Up 2nd Form Freeza should be much stronger than Enraged Gohan. Freeza said he would return the pain many times over.

Arrival on Namek Piccolo is far too high. Nail said a hypothetical Kamiccolo only "might" beat First Form Freeza.

SSJ Goku and 100% Freeza were on par.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Dodoria and Zarbon are too close to First Zenkai Vegeta.

Guldo being at 10k is far too much. Vegeta said Guldo was a weakling.

Vegeta is too close to Recoome. Recoome tanked a fairly amp'd blast from Vegeta with cosmetic damage and beat him to the brink of death in only a few attacks.

Powered Up 2nd Form Freeza should be much stronger than Enraged Gohan. Freeza said he would return the pain many times over.

Arrival on Namek Piccolo is far too high. Nail said a hypothetical Kamiccolo only "might" beat First Form Freeza.

SSJ Goku and 100% Freeza were on par.

1. I'm following the Daizenshu

2. Vegeta calls anyone a weakling. At the current levels I have now, Kulilin would give Gurd the Vegeta vs Kywi / KKx3 Goku vs Vegeta treatment.

3. The fight fits nicely in between the Vegeta vs KKx 2 Goku and Vegeta vs Kywi / KKx3 Goku vs Vegeta gaps.

4. What number do you suggest for Gohan and Zenkai Gohan?

5. I guess I can go with

Piccolo (arrival on Namek) : 260,000 (ahill1 had 270k, Piccolo needs to be weaker than 1st form Freeza / 2)
~No weights : 350,000 (ahill1 had 324k, Nail's boost is cleaner at 4.5x)
~W/Nail : 1,170,000 (ahill had 1,200,000)
~No weights : 1,575,000

Does that fit the rest of the levels? I can also go with Nail being a 5x boost and adjust accordingly. Do you want to see what that looks like?

6. See #1

 

[ahill1]

Thanks mysticgohan. I think Recoome being at ~35k really fits better with the fight he had with Vegeta. Right, Vegeta was still being treated like a child, but he got some hits, something he was totally was unable to do against Kkx3 Goku.

I think it was implied the gap between 3rd form Freeza and initial true form Freeza is a pretty considerably one. Piccolo said Freeza's final form makes his previous one look gentle. I don't like to bloat it too much, but Freeza could very well have doubled his power (like in the 1st transformation).

 

[Animelover5487]

Dodoria and Zarbon are too close to First Zenkai Vegeta.

Guldo being at 10k is far too much. Vegeta said Guldo was a weakling.

Vegeta is too close to Recoome. Recoome tanked a fairly amp'd blast from Vegeta with cosmetic damage and beat him to the brink of death in only a few attacks.

Powered Up 2nd Form Freeza should be much stronger than Enraged Gohan. Freeza said he would return the pain many times over.

Arrival on Namek Piccolo is far too high. Nail said a hypothetical Kamiccolo only "might" beat First Form Freeza.

SSJ Goku and 100% Freeza were on par.

1. I'm following the Daizenshu

2. Vegeta calls anyone a weakling. At the current levels I have now, Kulilin would give Gurd the Vegeta vs Kywi / KKx3 Goku vs Vegeta treatment.

3. The fight fits nicely in between the Vegeta vs KKx 2 Goku and Vegeta vs Kywi / KKx3 Goku vs Vegeta gaps.

4. What number do you suggest for Gohan and Zenkai Gohan?

5. I guess I can go with

Piccolo (arrival on Namek) : 260,000 (ahill1 had 270k, Piccolo needs to be weaker than 1st form Freeza / 2)
~No weights : 350,000 (ahill1 had 324k, Nail's boost is cleaner at 4.5x)
~W/Nail : 1,170,000 (ahill had 1,200,000)
~No weights : 1,575,000

Does that fit the rest of the levels? I can also go with Nail being a 5x boost and adjust accordingly. Do you want to see what that looks like?

6. See #1

1. Why? The Daizenshuu is full of errors and just plain doesn't make sense most of the time.

2. Yeah but Vegeta said his battle power was low, like it was low in general. There is also Krillin stating that Guldo isn't anything special like he was leagues under them.

3. I disagree. Recoome's beating on Vegeta was more severe than KKX3 Goku's on Vegeta. The most severe injury Vegeta got from Goku's assault was blood coming from Vegeta's mouth and him holding his stomach but he's still standing and has no lasting injuries. Whereas with Recoome Vegeta is sent flying back coughing up blood with one knee attack, casually blockes all his hits, again casually knocks him face first into the ground and tanks a point blank chi blast with no damage, and to top it off Recoome (judging by his expression) was trolling around, whereas Goku was completely serious. The gap between Vegeta and Recoome was huge, at least over 1.3x.

4. Gohan (Pre Zenkai) is at 320k imo, Enraged Gohan would be rivaling Initial 2nd Form Freeza at one million, and I would put Zenkai Gohan double his pre zenkai power level at 640k.

5. Yeah Nailccolo being a 5x power up works.

6. Again, why? That directly contradicts the manga, in which 50% Freeza is shown blocking KKX20 Goku's Kamehameha and holding his own wih SSJ Goku at 100%/

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Thanks mysticgohan. I think Recoome being at ~35k really fits better with the fight he had with Vegeta. Right, Vegeta was still being treated like a child, but he got some hits, something he was totally was unable to do against Kkx3 Goku.

I think it was implied the gap between 3rd form Freeza and initial true form Freeza is a pretty considerably one. Piccolo said Freeza's final form makes his previous one look gentle. I don't like to bloat it too much, but Freeza could very well have doubled his power (like in the 1st transformation).

Alright, I'll think about it. Will rep you later btw, I hit the limit or something

1. Why? The Daizenshuu is full of errors and just plain doesn't make sense most of the time.

2. Yeah but Vegeta said his battle power was low, like it was low in general. There is also Krillin stating that Guldo isn't anything special like he was leagues under them.

3. I disagree. Recoome's beating on Vegeta was more severe than KKX3 Goku's on Vegeta. The most severe injury Vegeta got from Goku's assault was blood coming from Vegeta's mouth and him holding his stomach but he's still standing and has no lasting injuries. Whereas with Recoome Vegeta is sent flying back coughing up blood with one knee attack, casually blockes all his hits, again casually knocks him face first into the ground and tanks a point blank chi blast with no damage, and to top it off Recoome (judging by his expression) was trolling around, whereas Goku was completely serious. The gap between Vegeta and Recoome was huge, at least over 1.3x.

4. Gohan (Pre Zenkai) is at 320k imo, Enraged Gohan would be rivaling Initial 2nd Form Freeza at one million, and I would put Zenkai Gohan double his pre zenkai power level at 640k.

5. Yeah Nailccolo being a 5x power up works.

6. Again, why? That directly contradicts the manga, in which 50% Freeza is shown blocking KKX20 Goku's Kamehameha and holding his own wih SSJ Goku at 100%/

1. I wanted to do a Daiz list.

2. Let's agree to disagree

3. Let's agree to disagree. Reacoom looked like an ugly buffoon after the fight btw. imo he has high pain endurance, Bertu high speed, Jheeze balance.

4. Awesome, will edit

5. Alright will do. Here it is btw:

Piccolo (arrival on Namek) : 225,000 (ahill1 had 270k. Piccolo should be weaker than 1st form Freeza / 2)
~No weights : 300,000 (ahill1 had 324k)
~W/Nail : 1,125,000 (ahill had 1,200,000, Nail's boost is cleaner at 5x)
~No weights : 1,500,000

6. see #1

Will rep you when I can

 

[xmysticgohanx]

@ahill1 do these look better?

3rd form Freeza : 1,850,000

Vegeta (post Zenkai) : 2,300,000 (ahill1 had 2,400,000)
~Blast : 2,600,000 (ahill1 had 3m)

True form Freeza : 2,300,000 (ahill had 2,400,000)
~Embarassing Vegeta : 3,000,000 (ahill had 3,250,000)

I previously had 2.1m rather than 2.3m in case you forgot.

 

[ahill1]

I think the difference between Vegeta and Vegeta's planet buster is too small. It was Vegeta's last "hoorayy" to win that and I'd say he used his most powerful attack. It even grabbed Freeza's attention for a moment, with Piccolo doesn't believing Freeza just kicked that away.

I also think true initial power Freeza should be a little bit stronger than base Goku, since the latter had to come up with a plan exploring Freeza's inability to sense ki.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I think the difference between Vegeta and Vegeta's planet buster is too small. It was Vegeta's last "hoorayy" to win that and I'd say he used his most powerful attack. It even grabbed Freeza's attention for a moment, with Piccolo doesn't believing Freeza just kicked that away.

I also think true initial power Freeza should be a little bit stronger than base Goku, since the latter had to come up with a plan exploring Freeza's inability to sense ki.

Trying to fit the Daizenshu numbers is hard

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I generally don't get rooted by the Daiz numbers.

 

[SSJ2]

Solid list. ahill's was good too, so good lis to use as a base.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. 2nd Form Freeza's power up is too small.
2. Vegeta's blast must be more amplified.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

1. 2nd Form Freeza's power up is too small.
2. Vegeta's blast must be more amplified.

I'm trying to fit the Daiz numbers in this

@everyone I'll get to the android arc soon

 

[ahill1]

I think Kuririn's boost with the weights should be less than that of Goku in the Saiyan saga. Goku was wearing weighted shirt, boots and wristbands:

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Kuririn was most likely only wearing weighted shirt, considering the boots' designer is different than that used when training with Kami and he still had his wristbands:

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Because of it I have Kuririn's boost being less than 1.25x.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I think Kuririn's boost with the weights should be less than that of Goku in the Saiyan saga. Goku was wearing weighted shirt, boots and wristbands:

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Kuririn was most likely only wearing weighted shirt, considering the boots' designer is different than that used when training with Kami and he still had his wristbands:

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Because of it I have Kuririn's boost being less than 1.25x.

Piccolo's was still the same though right? I'll give Kulilin 1.2x (1800) since wristbands shouldn't be too much. Gohan took off some weights too right?

 

[ahill1]

Well according to the 23rd Budokai each wristbands had the same weight as the shirt, that is, 20kg. It also seems Kuririn wasn't with weighted boots, considering the designer was rather different than that used in Kami's training.

No, Gohan wasn't wearing weighted clothes.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Krillin had no weighted boots either.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, he was wearing only weighted shirt.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I'll just go with 1.7k then, it's about a third as much as Saiyan arc.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Done with first half of Cell arc. Power levels should be very rough. Likely aren't as good as the Freeza arc ones. Should I do the 10x thing after the RoSaT instead?

@ahill1 some questions:

Why do you have Future #17 using 38% of his power?

Why is there a suppressed Mecha Freeza?

Why weighted Kamiccolo = #18? Or is that just how the numbers came out?