Regular Human Powers

[p123]

Yes of course. I mean even if we factor in that speed isn't as overly stated as power is with humans, you can see that it is unlikely to have such ridiculous feats human to human.

Now I'm sure Brock Lesnar punching the Farmer in the gut will absolutely wreck him. It would definitely be like Gohan vs Cell or worse, but its not like he's ever going to one shot explode him. There's no finger flick KOs going on. So the humans are all within a 1-10 range or so. Makes sense.

 

[Animelover5487]

I'm not really a big sports fan and I haven't done any research on Brock Lesnar so I don't know anything about him. What are his feats?

Yeah I doubt anyone could finger flick me, although i'm not really a strong guy.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

I'm not really a big sports fan and I haven't done any research on Brock Lesnar so I don't know anything about him. What are his feats?

Yeah I doubt anyone could finger flick me, although i'm not really a strong guy.

Brock Lesnar regularly tossed Big Show (who's around 500 lbs) around and can run 40-yard at 4.7 seconds. That's pretty much as far as I remember.

 

[Clearin]

If we take strength = power level to be 100% literal then Mr Satan must be more than a 10. Mr Satan's punching score was twice as much as at least one other fighter there, and we can easily assume that anyone entering the tournament is stronger than an average human, which would make Mr Satan over twice as strong as somebody who is stronger than farmer.

1. We don't know how that punching machine measures strength. It gave him a 137 so it obviously isn't the equivalent of a scouter.

2. I don't believe we saw any of the punching machine scores besides Satan and the Z-Fighters, at least in the manga. I think they had a few in the anime though.

Mr. Satan can't be over 10, otherwise he would have one-shotted Van Zant who should be no more than 5.5.

I wasn't being serious when I said that. I was saying IF strength = power level. I already said in another post I think physical strength and power level are different things, so a human character beating another human character doesn't need a "powerlevel gap" because they're not using Ki.

I didn't even say they were scouter numbers, I just said Mr Satan punched twice as much as at least one other fighter there (and we do get the numbers for some other fighters in the manga).

Mr Satan might just be a 5 and just be physically stronger than all the other humans. Although "Mr Satan can't be over 10 because he would have one shot Van Zant based on my made up power level for him" is a bad argument.

 

[p123]

Use the power level system to account for battle ability I think that's the point.

 

[p123]

I think it's a good point Clearin. Hercule being double an average tough guy seems unrealistic. Physical strength isn't a big factor in terms of fighting, otherwise, Mariusz Pudzianowski ( World's Strongest Man ) would be the best fighter in the world.

Do you want to know how I see it?

Marius has more ki than me, more battle ability, but if he isn't properly trained and I am, the gap isn't wide enough that I can't win.

 

[Clearin]

I think it's a good point Clearin. Hercule being double an average tough guy seems unrealistic. Physical strength isn't a big factor in terms of fighting, otherwise, Mariusz Pudzianowski ( World's Strongest Man ) would be the best fighter in the world.

Do you want to know how I see it?

Marius has more ki than me, more battle ability, but if he isn't properly trained and I am, the gap isn't wide enough that I can't win.

"Physical strength" probably wasn't the right term, at least not for overall fighting abilities. "Physical abilities" more like.

But in terms of pure strength, Mr Satan is twice as strong as some fighters.

 

[p123]

Punching power ≠ Strength or Fighting Ability

I literally just said this man...

 

[Clearin]

Punching power ≠ Strength

Yes it does... The stronger you are, the harder your punches are. I didn't, however, say that it was fighting ability. That factors in other things like speed and skill, which a punching machine can't really tell you.

 

[p123]

Strength and punching power are not related. I don't know you told you that, but in the fight world, it don't work that way son. Punching power and strength are generally opposites. The more you work on your strength, the more your punching power diminishes and vice versa. They are polar opposites.

 

[Clearin]

Strength and punching power are not related. I don't know you told you that, but in the fight world, it don't work that way son. Punching power and strength are generally opposites. The more you work on your strength, the more your punching power diminishes and vice versa. They are polar opposites.

You're saying the stronger you are, the weaker you punch?

 

[p123]

Yes. Let's take you for example. If you had a clone and both of you took entirely different training paths this would happen.

1) You- You decide to become the strongest version of yourself. All you do is lift weights, eat a clean, high calorie diet and make them GAINNZZZ. A couple of years later, you would be quite massive ( for your frame ) and you would be incredibly stronger than from when you began.

2) Your clone- Your clone opts to box for a couple years straight. All he does is box, stay lean, do cardio and work on his technique and ring skills. Sparring etc.


At the end of the couple of years training, in a boxing match, your clone would whoop your ass so badly you wouldn't know what to do. Your clone would not only have superior technique, he would also have vastly superior punching power than your " beefed up " version of yourself.

If you ever run into anybody who knows boxing or has boxed, ask them some questions about how to get maximize punching power. The more mass you put on around the shoulder area and arms, the slower you are going to be. Speed is doubly important to mass in terms of acceleration is it not? So yea...