Roshi is Moon Level

[Spiral-Force]

Seems to be grounds for believing the moon is not of the same composition.

You've yet to explain the correlation that drives that train of thought. How does distance link to composition?

 

[FeatsofPower]

The moon is the moon. Lol

 

[ahill1]

Well, he couldn't draw it as realistically.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The moon is represented as the moon in Dragonball. Roshi is moon level. It's not even a real debate. I have no idea how people are saying that something that happened didn't happen. It's an illogical position.

 

[SSJ2]

You've yet to explain the correlation that drives that train of thought. How does distance link to composition?

If the moon was as close as it appears in the panel above, you'd think there would be pronounced effects such as devastating tidal impacts or increased seismic/volcanic activity, none of which have ever been noted in DB. That leads me to the conclusion that the moon is less massive than the actual moon, meaning it could have a completely different composition.

That or Toriyama is just god-awful at proportions.

 

[FeatsofPower]

If the moon was as close as it appears in the panel above, you'd think there would be pronounced effects such as devastating tidal impacts or increased seismic/volcanic activity, none of which have ever been noted in DB. That leads me to the conclusion that the moon is less massive than the actual moon, meaning it could have a completely different composition.

That or Toriyama is just god-awful at proportions.

That makes no sense. It's a cartoon dude, it's the moon. I have no idea why you can't accept this. So what is your counter, its a moon, but a much smaller moon? LOl

 

[SSJ2]

That makes no sense. It's a cartoon dude, it's the moon. I have no idea why you can't accept this. So what is your counter, its a moon, but a much smaller moon? LOl

I am accepting it, I'm just pointing out by the artwork that it doesn't appear anywhere near the real life moon. The fact that it's a cartoon is exactly why I'm on board with Roshi being moon level, I just don't think the world in DB is exactly accurate to real life.

 

[Spiral-Force]

If the moon was as close as it appears in the panel above, you'd think there would be pronounced effects such as devastating tidal impacts or increased seismic/volcanic activity, none of which have ever been noted in DB. That leads me to the conclusion that the moon is less massive than the actual moon, meaning it could have a completely different composition.

That or Toriyama is just god-awful at proportions.

It appears that the issue here is that you've got expectations that we have no reason to believe Toriyama would strictly abide by or care about. It's also worth noting that your view, in and of itself, contains leeway for a different interpretation; for example, that the placement of the DB Moon is simply the only change that occurred, therefore the negative consequences were not factored in. With that being said, your conclusion is just one of multiple that can be drawn from the point that you brought forth (which itself relies on the idea that Toriyama was on-board with these specifics), so it doesn't seem convincing.

 

[ahill1]

Whether Toriyama cared or didn't care, it's irrelevant.

 

[Spiral-Force]

@ahill1 If you're referring to distance being irrelevant, then agreed.

Kinda disappointed that you decided not to expand on the Tien stuff that you brought up earlier. Could've been an interesting back and forth, but if you're not up for it, then that's your choice.

 

[Dagon]

Also if you want to do a direct comparison, this is how the earth looks from the moon:

Now compare that with what we see in the manga and we can see that it's a radically different distance away. Seems to be grounds for believing the moon is not of the same composition.

It's called artistic license. Toriyama stated the moon's distance, take it as is.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He really is…

Spoiler

WHEN YOU FIX THIS D*** DOOR THAT IS!!!

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If the moon was as close as it appears in the panel above, you'd think there would be pronounced effects such as devastating tidal impacts or increased seismic/volcanic activity, none of which have ever been noted in DB.

What relevance do sea levels have to the plot? You think AT would have Roshi move away or something? Or do you think DB’s Earth is also different in order to exist without the moon?

 

[ahill1]

@ahill1 If you're referring to distance being irrelevant, then agreed.

Kinda disappointed that you decided not to expand on the Tien stuff that you brought up earlier. Could've been an interesting back and forth, but if you're not up for it, then that's your choice.

I didn't go more in depth in my position because there're many possible counters someone could point out to it. It's an evidence I had for sure, but with the way Dragonball treats power destruction feats, there's always things someone could point out to a seemingly weaker destruction feat being treated as more impressible.

For instance, Roshi was baffled when Tenshinhan destroyed the arena and caused that crater... and said that the KMHMH doesn't even begin to compare to it. But someone could easily point out that it was a raw comparison to the attacks... and not a comparison to when Roshi buffs up and uses the attack in that form (though I wonder why Roshi wouldn't consider it against viable threats given its potential).

We've got other examples too, like Piccolo not seeing the depths of the hole Nappa caused and being in awe by it. By that point Piccolo could vanish cities, Islands, the moon and end the world, basically. That Nappa's feat doesn't seem a feat that logically would cause all that awe, but it touched Piccolo as to Nappa's potential.

Or Kuririn being amazed by Reacoom changing the landscape of an area of Namek, where by that point he could destroy or be close to destroy the Earth itself.

So while I think there may be a tune of exaggeration over Roshi's feat, I don't really think I can defend my position well with all the examples AT features with reactions from strong character over feats that from a first glance don't seem all that impressive.

 

[Spiral-Force]

@ahill1 Glad that you've re-evaluated your view to gain a wider understanding.

Just wanna mention a couple of things:

Destroying the battle ground is bound to catch anyone's attention in a very serious way. Not only is it massively unexpected for a contestant to go to those lengths, but there didn't appear to be any end in sight to the hole that was formed, which makes one ponder how much damage was really done; think of it like the tip of an iceberg compared to what lies underneath. And when Roshi was describing the Kikoho, he did also mention the power behind the move, so it can be said that his astonishment came from both the destructive capacity and attack potency of Tien.