RotJ Luke vs Qui-Gon

[GSM123]

Lightsaber duel only.

If Luke wins have him fight Dooku. If Luke loses, have him fight TPM Obi Wan.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Qui-Gon stomps. Taking Legends into account, he's got far more duelling feats than Luke at this point. That, and he was also regarded as the best swordsmen of his day. Considering that, and all his years as formal training, and this should be a no-contest. Luke probably doesn't win this until his Jedi Academy Trilogy days, when he was still young but far more studied and practised with his lightsaber.

 

[Warmmedown]

Luke stomps.

Luke>=Anakin>Vader>Yoda>Mace Windu>=Qui-Gon>Darth Maul

 

[GSM123]

Qui-Gon stomps. Taking Legends into account, he's got far more duelling feats than Luke at this point. That, and he was also regarded as the best swordsmen of his day. Considering that, and all his years as formal training, and this should be a no-contest. Luke probably doesn't win this until his Jedi Academy Trilogy days, when he was still young but far more studied and practised with his lightsaber.

Luke did hold his own against Vader though. Do you think he could at least beat TPM Kenobi?

Luke stomps.

Luke>=Anakin>Vader>Yoda>Mace Windu>=Qui-Gon>Darth Maul

Qui Gon > Maul?

 

[Warmmedown]

Yeh man

Remember what Palpatine says about Qui-Jon?

"Maul had never won a fight through sheer luck, not until Qui-Jon".

 

[GSM123]

I don't remember any mention of Qui Gon or Maul after they died other than QG learning force ghost tbh. Wasn't that on TCW or shit like that?

The fight didn't even look like Qui Gon was stronger tbh. Maul had the upperhand against him and Obi Wan.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Qui-Gon ought to win. It's noted by Snoke in one of the novels that the only conceivable way that Vader lost to Luke was due to his inner conflict causing him to hold back, plus even if you consider the rage boost to have brought Luke above Vader, that won't be a factor against Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon has far more experience and has been stated to be on the level of most Council members in terms of duelling prowess. I think Luke's strength in the Force may be somewhat higher due to his Skywalker lineage, though not by enough to wear Qui-Gon down before the master wins.

 

[Warmmedown]

No it was just after. The bit where Palpatine says "no matter, he was merely a tool".

I think it was implied that Maul got lucky due to the emotional stress/distractions that Qui-Gon was subjected to. He was worried about Anakin.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

No it was just after. The bit where Palpatine says "no matter, he was merely a tool".
I think it was implied that Maul got lucky due to the emotional stress/distractions that Qui-Gon was subjected to. He was worried about Anakin.

It had more to due with Maul having superior stamina, as it's been noted that Qui-Gon's age was a major factor in his loss, hence why he needed to go into the meditative stance when he got the chance.

 

[GSM123]

Qui-Gon ought to win. It's noted by Snoke in one of the novels that the only conceivable way that Vader lost to Luke was due to his inner conflict causing him to hold back, plus even if you consider the rage boost to have brought Luke above Vader, that won't be a factor against Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon has far more experience and has been stated to be on the level of most Council members in terms of duelling prowess. I think Luke's strength in the Force may be somewhat higher due to his Skywalker lineage, though not by enough to wear Qui-Gon down before the master wins.

What about the Luke vs TPM Obi Wan match-up?

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Vader was confirmed as being conflicted in his loss to Luke by Pablo Hidalgo, head of Lucasfilm story division. It's also important to note Luke hadn't touched a lightsaber from the end of Empire Strikes Back to right before entering Jabba's Palace, somewhere between the time of 12-18 months. Not that he had much training before.

Luke beats Obi-Wan, not only due to a superior connection to the Force but also his temperament and non-aggressive stance would be a good foil for Obi-Wan's preferred defensive tactics.

 

[GSM123]

I think Obi Wan would still beat Luke. Obi Wan had way more training and field experience than Luke. I don't think Obi Wan going berserk on Maul means he has a bad temper, dude just saw his master get killed. Luke lost his shit even worse just by Vader mentioning Leia.