RSSJ Broly vs CG SSJ Gohan

[Pakl]

@Pakl before I get into your larger post, explain something for me.

For the deuces that insist

...Goku is SSjin 2 in movie 10, I think you should see this quote. That's Akira Toriyama on his notes for chapter 458 which was released on February 15th almost a month before movie 10 was released (TOEI knows Toriyama's plans for the future as he likely wrote the script of at least most of...

dbzeta.net

In this thread, how is this proving that Goku cannot be SSJ2 in M10? You say that Toei was handcuffed because Goku's forms weren't revealed yet, but that's just not true. As I said before, it was established that he surpassed Super Saiyan against Yakon which was in 1993. That was some 4 months before the film released. Where is this set rule that the films can only follow the anime come from? The film is established to be set in the Boo arc, and in the Boo arc Goku was already shown to be a SSJ2.

Movie 4 is a perfect example of the films going ahead of the anime or manga. Goku was shown to be a Super Saiyan despite it not appearing in any medium at the time of the film's release. That alone proves that there isn't a consistent rule where the film cannot go ahead of the anime/manga.

I explained it in my larger post here post so I would recommand you to read it. Koyama himself said that the anime is prioritized over the movies. That's stated so that's one. the movies are made for the anime viewers. Try to use some logic here. The movies are based on the anime so they can contain what the anime showed at that point. they can't overcome it. Again, that's stated. If you watch the movie, you are not expected to realize things that you have not watched in the anime yet.

All movies work that way.

As for movie 4, That's not a contradiction at all. Take into account that movie 4 is based on they Ginyu Arc. In the Ginyu Arc, Goku is described as a SSjin. That's the main gimmick of this arc which the movie follows. So giving Goku a power up and say he is a SSjin is basically based on the Ginyu Arc. Nothing at that point overcomes the series. Goku is still 90k because the movie came before he got healed. It's not like he was the one who fought Freeza.

Furthermore, the movie villians seem to be as strong as the strongest character who appeared 3 months before in the manga. Guess what was the last chapter in the manga 3 months prior to movie 4? Vegeta fighting Initial final form Freeza. Hence False SSjin Goku vs Slug should be as strong as the "SSjin" Vegeta who fought Freeza while Slug should be as strong as Initial final form Freeza. Also, it's not like the movie revealed the true SSjin design or the SSjin power who fought Freeza. Take a look in this thread too which explains it better. Here I show a clear coloration between how the movie villians are comparable to the strongest character who appear in the manga 3 months before the movie's release and comparable to the villian who appear 2-3 episodes later in the anime.

How the movie releate to the manga and the anime

Well, I will post something here regarding to the movies. I am going to post each manga chapter that was released exactly 3 months prior to a movie's release. I want you guys to guess what is the connection of each chapter with each movie. I use the chapter that was released 3 month prior to...

dbzeta.net

The manga is totally irrelevant when it comes to the characters who appear in the movies because Toei has to base the movie villian's power on a specific character. How the hell can they base it on something that did not even exist in the manga?

There is a reason why all movies only contain what's shown in the anime in terms of strength despite it being revealed long before in the manga.

 

[Pakl]

Also, you do realize that there is a reason why Goku doesn't even appear in movie 10 and movie 11 right? if it's ok to show something that was not shown in the anime then why not use Goku in movie 10 and movie 11? It's simple. The movies are based on the anime and at that time of movie 10, Goku was yet to reveal his power and had no part in the series at that point. Goku having SSjin 2 in the Boo Saga is in universe wise but not out of universe wise and movies are alternative universe and don't follow the in universe wise logic.

That's like saying that when Goku says Baby Vegeta was the strongest ki he sensed, it also means Baby Vegeta > Beerus or Jiren.

Movie 1 was revealed while Vegeta was transforming into a great ape in the manga but movie 1 is based on Raditz Arc because that was the last thing shown in the anime at that point.

Movie 2 was released just after Krillin got his power up from the great elder, yet everyone in movie 2 is based on their late Saiyan Arc selves as that was the last thing shown in the series.

Movie 3 was released while Goku was fighting Jiece and Burter in the manga, yet Goku was given a power level of 30k becuase at the time in the series, Goku was just post 50X gravity, meaning modern training. Take into account that the strongest base power 3 months prior in the manga was Vegeta after he killed Zarbon.

Movie 4 was released while Goku was about to launch the Genki Dama at Freeza in the manga, yet movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Arc. Goku is 90k because that was the lastvGoku shown in the anime at that point.

I can keep like that up to movie 13 but you get the point right? movies are based on the Anime and can't get ahead of them.

Basically the movie starts it's production 3 months before it's release. That's also proven by some of Toriyama's notes. Toei basically use the strongest character at that point in the manga 3 months prior to the movie release and have the movie villian at that level. In the anime, this cillian in the series who match the movie villian is shown 2-3 episodes later in the anime

Why is it so hard to understand it?