Saiyan Saga Levels

[p123]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ce0nz0XsQ

WE ARE FINALLY STARTING Z, WOOO






Raditz Arc




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Master Roshi 1
Chaozu 30
Yamcha 70
Krillin 75
Tien 100

Goku (W/Weights) 400
~ W/o Weights 600
~ Kamehameha 1,000

Raditz (Initial) 800
~ Powered Up 1,000
~ Full Power 1,250

Gohan (Enraged) 700
~ Enraged Further 1,400

Piccolo (W/Weights) 400
~ W/o Weights 600
~ Special Beam Cannon 1,500

Great Ape Gohan 2,000

King Yemma 2,500

King Kai 3,500




Saiyan Saga: The Prince of All Saiyans



Yajirobe 800

Chaozu 1,000

Saibamen 1,200

Yamcha 1,350

Krillin 1,500

Tien 1,600

Piccolo 2,000

Gohan
~ Enraged 2,250
~ Masenko 2,800

Nappa (Initial) 3,000
~ Full Power 7,000

Goku (Initial) 4,000
~ Full Power 7,000
~ Kaioken 10,500
~ Kaioken x2 14,000
~ Kaioken x3 21,000
~ Kaioken x3 Kamehameha 26,000
~ Kaioken x4 28,000
~ Kaioken x4 Kamehameha 34,000

Vegeta (Initial) 12,000
~ Full Power 16,000
~ Galick Gun 26,000
~ Great Ape 160,000





Video is imminent! Just need some help figuring out Gohan's base power, Tien's Kikoho. Obviously these aren't perfectly lined up with the manga/scouter levels. Roll with it!

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

You already have Kamehameha as a 1.66x boost? That's gonna do some insane bloating on Kamiccolo vs Cell, you know.

For Base Gohan, i take it for granted that he's weaker than Yamcha. He was unable to track Yamchs vs Saibamen with his own eyes
Chapter: 215 (DBZ 21), P6.3-4
Context: as Yamcha fights the Saibaiman
Gohan: “Th-they vanished!”
Piccolo: “You idiot! They’re moving around at high speed! Try feeling the movement of their ki! Everyone can see them but you!”

I think Chaozu level is good enough for Gohan.

As for Tenshinhan's Kikoho, it should've killed Nappa. Piccolo even though he was imortal for tanking it.
Chapter: Chapter 219(DBZ 25), P1.2
Context: still after Nappa isn’t hurt by the Kikoho
Piccolo: “It…it can’t be…Is h-he immortal…!?”

 

[p123]

No. I have the spy robots taking the Kamehameha vs Vegeta. The Kaioken Kamehameha has a severely weakened amp. That's my workaround for that whole situation.

But he's already at 981 suppressed. Piccolo doesn't act like Gohan can't keep up either.

Gohan is 1,500 on Namek a month later. So we have to account for that.

Gohan's power surpasses Piccolo's when he puts his mind to it...

Yet Kikoho only did superficial damage.

I can put Kikoho at a little over Nappa I guess.

 

[p123]

Piccolo's Blast > Kikoho imo. It burned the shit out of Nappa.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

No, i meant for Cell tanking the Light Grenade. Light Grenade >> Saiyan Arc Kamehameha.

You've ignored several scouter numbers while making this list, why can't you ignore Gohan's 981? Piccolo thinks Gohan can keep up if he puts his mind into it. Unfocused/Scared Gohan isn't worth jack shit.

Nappa had his armor when Tenshinhan fired the Kikoho though. Against Piccolo he had no protection.

 

[p123]

The picture depicts Goku's Kamehameha against Vegeta. That's the Kamehameha they took the genes from... Get it?

Gohan's power is 1,500 on Namek. When do you think he got that power?

Nappa's legs didn't have any protection. They got some cuts and some burns. But if Kikoho was that strong, all remaining skin would be burnt up. Piccolo's Blast > Kikoho...

Masenko surpasses Piccolo's blast as well.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah i know that. I was just warning ya that Kamehameha being that big early in the game makes Light Grenade too big, what creates some bloat that you might want to avoid.

I think he got it from fighting on earth and doing image training with Kuririn for a while.

Think with me for a moment. Piccolo's blast is one the size of Nappa's back. Tenshinhan's Kikoho is big enough to engulf all of Nappa'a body. It's natural a bigger blast would have it's strength more dispersed than a smaller, more concentrated blast. Take it the Ki explosions for example: Goku tanks Piccolo's, Vegeta fails to kill a bunch of half dead Z Fighters, Boo does nothing more than cripple Vegeta.

Overall, Piccolo's blast hurt more because it was more concentrated. Kind like that physics formula for pressure where Pressure = Force/Area. Smaller the area, bigger the pressure.

 

[p123]

It doesn't create any bloat at all.

The Kamehameha that Cell has is taken from Goku's Kamehameha vs Vegeta. Which is only 1.25x. due to the strain from Kaioken. Don't you see, silly boy?

Could be the case. Piccolo makes a huge deal about Kikoho. I can't rate that shit. It's too hard for me...

Also...

Vegeta Full Power > KKx2 Goku > Initial Vegeta > Kaioken Goku

I don't care what anyone says. That's the way it is.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goddamn P, i'm not talking about Cell's Kamehameha. Let's put that aside and discuss it when you post the Cell Arc numbers though. There's still some long way there.

It can be the case? Lol i thought you would throw that argument away. Just pulled that to make sense of the statement. I couldn't possibly see Piccolo dumbfounded by Nappa surviving if he can survive it himself.

 

[p123]

Oh I see. Well, the Kamehameha tops out around 2x. So Goku is almost there already.

Damn it. I think I'll have to drop my Kamehameha back down to 1.5x, fucker...

 

[ahill1]

I would advise you going with the scouter numbers when posting the numbers on youtube, P. People there may not be aware about your theories regarding battle powers, so if they see you are going against oficially stated BPs (like Goku's 8k+) they might think you are a noob and not worth having your videos wacthed. Either that, or you could insert an explanation regarding why your numbers look a bit different compared to the ones given in the manga.

 

[p123]

Yea. I would have to insert an explanation. Cui at 16k makes everything better. The difference between Goku at 7 or 8k is literally nothing.

 

[Castiel]

How strong do you have tired Gohan and by proxy Oozaru Gohan? Vegeta says he could take two of them at the same time if he was at full power.

 

[p123]

Do you have that quote? I can't find it.

 

[p123]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ce0nz0XsQ


Z is finally ready to begin. I'm cranking them out like crazy!

 

[Castiel]

Chapter: 240 (DBZ 46), P8.3
Vegeta: “Damn it! If I hadn’t taken so much damage, then 1 or even 2 guys like this…[wouldn’t be a problem]. That moon I created will last another hour. I’ve got to cut his tail off!!”