Saiyan Saga Vegeta Levels

[GSM123]

Full power: 18,000
Post beam struggle: 14,500
Post Ki Ball: 4,500
Oozaru: 45,000
Post Oozaru: 3,000
Post Genki Dama: 1,500

Goku: 8,000
~ Post beam struggle: 4,000
~ Hypothetical Kaioken x5: 20,000 - 40,000?

Genki Dama: 50,000
~ Weakened: 25,000

Gohan: 1,250
~ Enraged: 2,500
~ Oozaru: 12,500

Kuririn: 1,500
Yajirobe: 500

 

[GSM123]

@Power Level Guy @Hector @SSJ2 @SIAD @ahill1

 

[SSJ2]

4500 post power ball seems crazy.

 

[Hector]

@Power Level Guy @Hector @SSJ2 @SIAD @ahill1

How's this?

Goku (full power) - 8,000
Vegeta (full power) - 18,000
Vegeta (post beam struggle) - 5,000
Goku (post beam struggle) - 2,500 (King Kai must have a factored KKx2 when he said that even if Vegeta doesn't transform, Goku will have a hard time)
Vegeta (post power ball) - 4,500
Ape Vegeta - 45,000
Hypothetical KKx5 Goku - 40,000
Vegeta (back to normal) - 4,500
Gohan - 1,400
Gohan (enraged vs Nappa) - 2,800
Gohan (enraged vs Vegeta) - 4,200
Krillin - 1,400
Genkidama - 60,000
Genkidama weakened - 6,000
Vegeta (post genkidama) - 1,800
Yadjirobe - 900
Ape Gohan - 14,000

 

[Power Level Guy]

4500 post power ball seems crazy.

I agree, there is no way his power took this huge of a dive here.

Gohan: 1,250
~ Enraged: 2,500

He's gotta have a zenkai. He ends up being above Krillen after this battle.

Yajirobe: 500

Gotta show my man some more love than this. I have him at 800 and Chaozu at 1,000.

Kuririn: 1,500

I go like this...

Krillen 1,400/Krillen Namek 1,500
Gohan 1,250/Zenkai 1,500/Namek 1,600

Isn't that good?

Vegeta (post beam struggle) - 5,000

This seems like an insane drop off to me here.

Goku (post beam struggle) - 2,500 (King Kai must have a factored KKx2 when he said that even if Vegeta doesn't transform, Goku will have a hard time)

Can you post that quote? I'm not familiar with it. It's scary how little I know about the Saiyan Saga... It's absurd really.

Ape Vegeta - 45,000
Hypothetical KKx5 Goku - 40,000

I don't think they should be close to being rivals...

 

[SSJ2]

It seemed to me like being forced out of Oozaru is what costed Vegeta a ton of power. The power ball was significant but I can't see him weakening himself that much.

 

[GSM123]

4500 post power ball seems crazy.

He’s struggling with Gohan post Oozaru. Is it possible he just lost that much power reverting to base?

Vegeta (post beam struggle) - 5,000

The power ball cost Vegeta a significant amount of power. I think he should at least be 6-7k before it.

Gohan (enraged vs Vegeta) - 4,200

Maybe, but I think it makes more sense if he’s still 2800.

Genkidama weakened - 6,000

Goku said the Genki Dama lost “about half” its power when he gave it to Kuririn.

He's gotta have a zenkai. He ends up being above Krillen after this battle.

I think he only got to 1500 post Vegeta. He was barely injured vs Nappa and only had half a senzu. At most I’d have him to 1350.

Krillen 1,400/Krillen Namek 1,500
Gohan 1,250/Zenkai 1,500/Namek 1,600

I prefer Kuririn at a clean 1500 tbh. Namek is only a month later, and 1400 feels too close to the Saibamen.

 

[GSM123]

It seemed to me like being forced out of Oozaru is what costed Vegeta a ton of power. The power ball was significant but I can't see him weakening himself that much.

Post power ball - 6,000
Post Oozaru - 3,000
Post Genki Dama - 1,500

What about it?

 

[GSM123]

Important quote - Vegeta says that if he were at FP, he could’ve taken “2 or 3” Oozaru Gohans. We don’t know if Gohan was weakened from his injuries, however.

 

[SSJ2]

Post power ball - 6,000
Post Oozaru - 3,000
Post Genki Dama - 1,500

What about it?

Yeah it's cool.

Something else that I never see talked about. Gohan was basically half dead prior to transforming into an Oozaru. How is his Oozaru form that strong? Oozaru clearly doesn't restore health either.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't think they should be close to being rivals...

Agreed. I don't think the Kaioken x5 quote is meant to put a cap on Vegeta like that. Goku is talking about a technique that there's no chance in hell his body could even tolerate, and even that would have been useless. 60,000+ is reasonable.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Agreed. I don't think the Kaioken x5 quote is meant to put a cap on Vegeta like that. Goku is talking about a technique that there's no chance in hell his body could even tolerate, and even that would have been useless. 60,000+ is reasonable.

Yeah, I have a really hard time seeing Vegeta drop in power so drastically, but, considering that he's facing off against Gohan later, how would that work unless he lost a ton of power? Damn...

Important quote - Vegeta says that if he were at FP, he could’ve taken “2 or 3” Oozaru Gohans. We don’t know if Gohan was weakened from his injuries, however.

Damn, that's a good point. Are you feeling alarmed by the amount of quotes here that I feel we don't have zeroed in? It feels like I'm being ambushed right now.

Post power ball - 6,000
Post Oozaru - 3,000

Losing the Oozaru transformation cuts your power in half? A Power Ball cuts it in half too?

 

[SSJ2]

I think losing the Oozaru transformation has to be it. How many cases do we have where a fighter gets forced out of Oozaru and remains in good shape? We have Goku at the 21st becoming weak enough to barely manage one final attack. Goku pre 21st who I'm pretty sure passed out after losing Oozaru. Gohan is passed out in the Saiyan arc...

 

[SSJ2]

Also is there reason to have Base Gohan < Krillin? Gohan never really showed what he could do because of fear and inexperience.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I think losing the Oozaru transformation has to be it. How many cases do we have where a fighter gets forced out of Oozaru and remains in good shape? We have Goku at the 21st becoming weak enough to barely manage one final attack. Goku pre 21st who I'm pretty sure passed out after losing Oozaru. Gohan is passed out in the Saiyan arc...

Damn, I guess you are right. I guess it burns up all their energy.

Also is there reason to have Base Gohan < Krillin? Gohan never really showed what he could do because of fear and inexperience.

I'd say initially it's probably best to put Gohan weaker, his relaxed power seems to be under Krillen a bit, it's not until the ship is it established Gohan is a bit stronger.

 

[SSJ2]

So Piccolo was that confident in his rage abilities? Because it doesn't seem like 1250 is managing anything in that fight.

 

[Power Level Guy]

So Piccolo was that confident in his rage abilities? Because it doesn't seem like 1250 is managing anything in that fight.

Well, it's a good question. We haven't really had this discussion.

Where do you suppose Chaozu should be? Now when Gohan can't see the Saibamen, it doesn't seem to be power driven, Piccolo isn't worried about Gohan not having the potential to see the Saibamen, he just is lacking in skill.

Are you saying Gohan > Krillen off the rip?

Piccolo has always been confident in Gohan's rage abilities. Since the moment he started training him he knew Gohan's rage was the only way.

 

[SSJ2]

Chaozu is always an odd one to place. Didn't Tenshinhan tell him not to show up or was that at a different point in the series?

I don't think Gohan should be above Krillin. I just don't think the gap needs to be that large. Krillin also acted like Gohan wasn't near death at the end of the fight, it was repeatedly said that Goku was the one near death. A large zenkai seems unlikely for Gohan, I could see a small one at best.

Gohan: 1,400
-Zenkai: 1,500

Krillin: 1,500

You can argue that Gohan was so unskilled that he fought down to a level of 1,250 despite his power being higher I guess.

 

[Hector]

The power ball cost Vegeta a significant amount of power. I think he should at least be 6-7k before it.

When does it say it cost him a significant amount of power?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Chaozu is always an odd one to place. Didn't Tenshinhan tell him not to show up or was that at a different point in the series?

That's for the Androids Saga.

I don't think Gohan should be above Krillin. I just don't think the gap needs to be that large. Krillin also acted like Gohan wasn't near death at the end of the fight, it was repeatedly said that Goku was the one near death. A large zenkai seems unlikely for Gohan, I could see a small one at best.

I got Gohan going from 1,250 to 1,500.

Gohan 1,250
Yamcha 1,350
Krillen 1,400
Gohan Zenkai 1,500

You can argue that Gohan was so unskilled that he fought down to a level of 1,250 despite his power being higher I guess.

I'm not entirely sure which way to Gohan. I have a hard time putting him above Yamcha as of now, but he's definitely above Chaozu and at least on par with Saibamen.