Shisami (DragonBall Super) vs Android #17

[Fantastische Hure]

Did Piccolo get nerfed in FnF or what? Could it be he's back to his original pre-fusion Namek Saga level?

Who wins?

 

[Papasmurf]

Nope, he was Zarbon tier alright. Piccolo was just holding back to not kill him

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Nope, he was Zarbon tier alright. Piccolo was just holding back to not kill him

Why did he take so much time with Shisami? Seemed like he had trouble with him, but I'm not sure.

How strong you'd say Shisami is in DragonBall Super?

 

[Papasmurf]

If Im being serious, I think he was still rather strong in Super. He'd be a lot weaker than his movie self though in my opinion, as his position as #1 henchman of Freeza was replaced by Tagoma/Ginyu. Since he still deflected blasts from Gohan (who's >> Piccolo), I could buy him being above anybody on Namek though. Even if Gohan tried not to kill him and everything.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

If Im being serious, I think he was still rather strong in Super. He'd be a lot weaker than his movie self though in my opinion, as his position as #1 henchman of Freeza was replaced by Tagoma/Ginyu. Since he still deflected blasts from Gohan (who's >> Piccolo), I could buy him being above anybody on Namek though. Even if Gohan tried not to kill him and everything.

Did he fight Piccolo in DragonBall Super?

If I remember correctly, Shisami in the series is treated just like another henchmeng, as in there's nothing where anyone says he's not your average soldier.

 

[Papasmurf]

he attacked Piccolo and gohan but Piccolo was told to stay back during the battle, which leads me to think he was pretty strong. Gohan also had to flare up an aura to overpower shisami's attempt to crush him.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

so he wins this?

i don't know whether i'd say he's 2nd form cell level, tho

 

[Papasmurf]

I dunno either. I'd say Tagoma could kill any form of Cell with ease, but I'm not sure about Shisami. I'd still probably put him over 1st form Cell, so he wins this imo

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I dunno either. I'd say Tagoma could kill any form of Cell with ease, but I'm not sure about Shisami. I'd still probably put him over 1st form Cell, so he wins this imo

Even SPC. 1 1 1

It's crazy.

 

[Papasmurf]

SPC only lasted lke 3 chapters after all

 

[Fantastische Hure]

SPC only lasted lke 3 chapters after all

And lost to Gohan at half-power.

 

[Papasmurf]

They really meant half of Ultimate-Gohan's powa. Gohan unlocked all his hidden potential at that moment due to rage at his arm being fucked but couldn't use it all due to lost stamina

 

[Fantastische Hure]

They really meant half of Ultimate-Gohan's powa. Gohan unlocked all his hidden potential at that moment due to rage at his arm being fucked but couldn't use it all due to lost stamina

But according to DragonBall Super, Super-Saiyan 2 Gohan from Cell-Games >>> Ultimate-Gohan

 

[Papasmurf]

Nah, Goku had a nightmare the day before where Gohan surpassed him again, and was going off of that

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Nah, Goku had a nightmare the day before where Gohan surpassed him again, and was going off of that

to be honest tho

goku saying that could just be that he's surprised at how powerful trunks has become

since the last time he was weaker than cell-games goku by a lot

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Shishami wins IMO.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Animelover5487, if you can and want, what do you think?

 

[Animelover5487]

I don't think Shisami has to be that strong. Gohan wasn't using lethal force until Tagoma although Gohan did fid it necessary to flare up his ki so I think Shisami's about euqal to his movie counterpart (on par with Piccolo), the only difference is that Gohan's base is considerably stronger than him and Piccolo whereas Gohan had to turn into a Super Saiyan to defeat the former in the movie.

Base Gohan (Super) >>>> Cell Games SSJ Gohan >>>> Cell Games SSJ Goku >= Shisami >= Piccolo >>> Base Gohan (ROF)

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think Shisami has to be that strong. Gohan wasn't using lethal force until Tagoma although Gohan did fid it necessary to flare up his ki so I think Shisami's about euqal to his movie counterpart (on par with Piccolo), the only difference is that Gohan's base is considerably stronger than him and Piccolo whereas Gohan had to turn into a Super Saiyan to defeat the former in the movie.

Base Gohan (Super) >>>> Cell Games SSJ Gohan >>>> Cell Games SSJ Goku >= Shisami >= Piccolo >>> Base Gohan (ROF)

Do you really think Shisami is that strong? That's quite high.

There's also the line in DragonBall Super that Gohan'll take care of Shisami or something, implying Piccolo can't handle him. I think in the movie, Shisami was also a bit more powerful than Piccolo.

 

[Animelover5487]

I don't think Shisami has to be that strong. Gohan wasn't using lethal force until Tagoma although Gohan did fid it necessary to flare up his ki so I think Shisami's about euqal to his movie counterpart (on par with Piccolo), the only difference is that Gohan's base is considerably stronger than him and Piccolo whereas Gohan had to turn into a Super Saiyan to defeat the former in the movie.

Base Gohan (Super) >>>> Cell Games SSJ Gohan >>>> Cell Games SSJ Goku >= Shisami >= Piccolo >>> Base Gohan (ROF)

Do you really think Shisami is that strong? That's quite high.

There's also the line in DragonBall Super that Gohan'll take care of Shisami or something, implying Piccolo can't handle him. I think in the movie, Shisami was also a bit more powerful than Piccolo.

It depends on how high you put Piccolo. Seeing as it's been over a decade since the Cell Games I imagine Piccolo would be nearing Cell Games SSJ Goku ballpark in which case Shisami would likewise being nearing that level.