Should we really base gaps off of the Namek arc?

[Void]

Scouter numbers are easy enough to work with, as long as you're using the ones only from the manga. Guidebook PLs are way too whacky.

 

[p123]

Guidebook numbers are complete trash. Scouters give a good baseline, however the further you go with the scouter numbers, the more you realize they are not factual, slopped together pieces of trash.

Goku 416
Piccolo 408
Tien 250
Krillen 206
Yamcha 177
Roshi 139

These numbers are just not factual, not implied by the story, by the events of the 23rd Budokai or the events leading up to Raditz. Right is right, wrong is wrong, period.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The farmer's PL though...

 

[p123]

Haha, that's actually the only power level I use from the scouter numbers. I kind of use that as a base and go from there. But yes, the 5 for Farmer is a joke in that set of numbers, the fact that Goku is only merely 200x stronger than the Farmer is an absolute travesty. My numbers have Goku 160,000x more powerful. As crazy as it looks, I'd say mine are far more reasonable for sure.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Vegeta vs Kywi and Vegeta vs Zarbon

Vegeta vs Goku kkx2

THOSE ARE WHAT WE SHOULD USE AS GAP BASELINES. DUDORIA DOES NOT COUNT BECAUSE HE LOST YUKI LMAO. GOKU KKX3 DOES NOT COUNT BECAUSE HE LOST POWER BECAUSE OF KAIOKEN

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Don't be so foolish CC. Cherry picking statements now? You are better than that.

Because outright ignoring numbers stated within the actual manga in favour of what seems factually superior isn't cherry picking evidence at all.

You should use the scouter numbers to set guidelines, then let following statements, fights dictate the parameters and compare and contrast. Stick with what works, discard what doesn't.

Again, that's pure headcannon. Regardless of whether or not it works best, ignoring things such as the numbers from the first two DBZ volumes and such because they don't work best with what you agree with may as well be the same as rewriting the series and ignoring what Toriyama made. It's not as if the scouter numbers ever correlated with consistent levels of power. If they did correlate with something such as say, energy yield, then we'd be into the billions from the get-go. It's pretty obvious Toriyama just meant for them to be a way in which to say Character A > Character B.

This isn't an unreasonable request. This is the best option. Foolish child.

Oh yes, how could I be so foolish. I must've been so blind to try and work with what shaky numbers were placed in a semi-improvised story that had little initial thought put behind them overall over what a fan of said series finds more preferable.

 

[Cell]

Ignoring the scouter numbers... might as well start ignoring statements... feats...

Why even bother at that point? Just make up whatever you want to.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Ignoring the scouter numbers... might as well start ignoring statements... feats...

Why even bother at that point? Just make up whatever you want to.

Exactly this, what the hell are these PL purists thinking? They might as well make a fanfiction too!

 

[p123]

The point is, to make the statement and feats work, you have to discredit the scouter numbers. You are going to have to make a choice, either one, or the other. That's where people are mistaken here. You will either go against the statements and feat or you will go against the scouter numbers. The choice is yours.

Can anyone explain Roshi's 139 number using the feats and statements to back it up? No one has been able to do this yet, so they've already been discrediting statements for a long, long time. I guess you guy's never realized it.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's a cartoon show where lots of feats are inconsistent and you're not supposed to take it seriously for fuck sake. Just like contradictions such as Goku breathing on space in the early DB and fast-forward Freeza arc he can't.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Just like contradictions such as Goku breathing on space in the early DB and fast-forward Freeza arc he can't.

I suggest it's best to not take that moment seriously as it was obviously played for laughs.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Just like contradictions such as Goku breathing on space in the early DB and fast-forward Freeza arc he can't.

I suggest it's best to not take that moment seriously as it was obviously played for laughs.

And now the power levels are inconsistent and shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Just like Vegeta said, Freeza and the others are focused on the battle numbers rather than the overall capabilities of the warriors.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Just like contradictions such as Goku breathing on space in the early DB and fast-forward Freeza arc he can't.

I suggest it's best to not take that moment seriously as it was obviously played for laughs.

And now the power levels are inconsistent and shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Just like Vegeta said, Freeza and the others are focused on the battle numbers rather than the overall capabilities of the warriors.

And there you go, if you want to create a more complete power level list then you have to throw away the ones presented in the series. As they just do not work.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I suggest it's best to not take that moment seriously as it was obviously played for laughs.

And now the power levels are inconsistent and shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Just like Vegeta said, Freeza and the others are focused on the battle numbers rather than the overall capabilities of the warriors.

And there you go, if you want to create a more complete power level list then you have to throw away the ones presented in the series. As they just do not work.

up, that's why I didn't make a power levels list ever! Even the Author dropped it because its ridiculous and I can't blame him.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

And now the power levels are inconsistent and shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Just like Vegeta said, Freeza and the others are focused on the battle numbers rather than the overall capabilities of the warriors.

And there you go, if you want to create a more complete power level list then you have to throw away the ones presented in the series. As they just do not work.

up, that's why I didn't make a power levels list ever! Even the Author dropped it because its ridiculous and I can't blame him.

Toriyama dropped them because a guy with a power level of 100 > guy with a power level of 70 every fucking time.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Stop fighting, people. Just accept that my system (Farmer being 0.05 and Roshi being 13.9) is the best way
to work with what we have (scouter statements) instead of completely throwing it away, yet still make a
reasonable list.

 

[p123]

Even then isn't enough Withheld. Tien being 250 to Goku's 416 is a travesty. There is no way Tien could have closed the massive gap between himself and Goku in 5 years. Nothing suggests it. There are three major issues.

1) Roshi's relation to the humans.
2) The humans relation to Goku and Piccolo
3) Where the fack do you fit Popo and Kami.

And this is just getting out of the gate. Very poorly done.

If you don't care for power level lists, that's fine, but for those of us who do, there is a superior way of doing things and an inferior. Doing them without scouter numbers is the clear superior way.

As I said before, you must make a choice between the scouter numbers and statements, you can choose one, but it can only be one. You cannot have both of them.

Most people have been discarding the statements to make the scouter levels work and then they have the audacity to claim there way is right while statement > scouter people are fools. This couldn't be further from the truth.

As quickly as a Kanzenshuu debater claims that King Piccolo's less than half statement was all bologna, the quicker their hypocrisy shows. The moderates just haven't realized it until now, but that's what I'm here for.