Since Freeza held back and didn't one shot Goku...

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I respectfully disagree with that interpretation.
 

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I can see where you're coming from. Not even I am fully bought about this idea.
 

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Yes it is clear that Freeza toys with his opponents, as he did in all of the situations you listed. However, you have to gauge his composure during each of those events. During the initial tussle with Vegeta, Freeza was likely as angry as he had ever been in his life. After his clash with Vegeta, he became more level headed once he transformed into his second form. He began to toy with his opponents to pay back the humiliation that he had received. You can see when he was in his first form he had none of this composure. He was going in for the kill.
 

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ahill1 said:
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ahill1 said:
Freeza not going all out is never hinted, that's the problem. Vegeta's "transform, Freeza!" comes right after Kuririn's questioning of Freeza's collected behavior and enemies can put some extra effort as seen with Goku and Kid Boo in their Genki-Dama struggle, for instance, and while they were going all out before, they never seemed to be straining so hard. The rest is special pleading.

Frieza Transformed because Vegeta revealed he could.
Vegeta called him out to Transform, I know you have a Transformation so stop hiding it & show me.
Frieza didn't think it was necessary, Vegeta's arrogance begged for it.
And the braggart Freeza wouldn't even say that not even his transformation is needed, like he noticed when going to his final form, that he's only doing that needlessly so they can have a taste on true terror?
Frieza went into his second because there was no point in hiding it as Vegeta knew about it & called him out on it.

Frieza was beating any notion of winning out of them, terrifying them so badly that they were too afraid to do crap & he darn them to.
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Frieza humiliated & embarrassed them & broke their spirit.

He went into his second because there was no point in hiding it as Vegeta knew about it & called him out on it.
Frieza's goal was to let them believe they had a chance then he snatches it away.
"Oh No you know I can Transform, what am I to do?"

Frieza was basking in Vegeta's smugness.
 

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In which world is Freeza so obeying to Vegeta to the point he would transform just because Vegeta told him so? Vegeta of all people...

And he doesn't even need not to transform... leaving a snarky comment like "it's not like I need it" before resorting to it would already suffice. We got nothing. Rather, Kuririn is surprised by Freeza's composure and the idea of him transforming comes soon after with this "hypothetical" full power being never mentioned.

Seriously, this idea is never hinted one inch at the manga and no one would come up with it weren't for the V-Jump, the same magazine that has Gogeta less than 2x Broly and Boohan = SSJ3 Goku. Really.
 

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ahill1 said:
In which world is Freeza so obeying to Vegeta to the point he would transform just because Vegeta told him so? Vegeta of all people...
Obey?
He is doing no such thing.
Frieza isn't obeying anything, he's playing them letting them think they've revealed a crucial secret & exposed a not so powerful form that they can defeat.
He is conveying the point of you think you know me? You don't know Jack squat.

Frieza is physiologically rendering them powerless by revealing just how outclasssed, out powered they are against him.



ahill1 said:
And he doesn't even need not to transform... leaving a snarky comment like "it's not like I need it" before resorting to it would already suffice. We got nothing. Rather, Kuririn is surprised by Freeza's composure and the idea of him transforming comes soon after with this "hypothetical" full power being never mentioned.

Seriously, this idea is never hinted one inch at the manga and no one would come up with it weren't for the V-Jump, the same magazine that has Gogeta less than 2x Broly and Boohan = SSJ3 Goku. Really.

Are you kidding me, it's everywhere in Frieza's expressions, overconfidence & their cowardice.
He literally stands in front of Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, while kicking Vegeta's butt daring them to say crap.

Frieza was telling them no matter how strong you think you are, no matter how strong you get. I'm still more powerul & I'll own you.

Nothing absolutely nothing from that first clash with 1st Form Frieza & Vegeta ever said they were equal PowerLevels.
Nothing.



It's part of Vegeta's arrogance & ego.
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Vegeta allows Android19 to power up by grabbing him & draining some his power.
He lets Cell Transform into his Perfect form.
He Refuses to fuse with Goku with Buu closing because Goku didn't Transfom into SuperSaiyan 3 in their MajinVegeta vs Goku fight.
Vegeta in the Tournament Of Power provokes Jiren into using the same level of Power when he thrashed Goku.

1st Form Frieza didn't Transform because he had to, he Transformed because of Vegeta's arrogance called for it & Frieza made him reget it.
 
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