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Considering Far From Home was pretty bad and the MCU post-Endgame has been quite directionless thus far, I'm not expecting much from it beyond perhaps a reference to the Raimi trilogy like J.K. Simmons' cameo in FFH's post-credits scene. This might have be different if the old leak of it somehow tying into Netflix's Daredevil (and, thus, reviving it), had been true, but the announcement of Doc Ock being the main villain seems to have destroyed that.
 

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Don't often check it out unless I get a notification, and receiving notifications for it can be really inconsistent at times. That, and I generally prefer just sticking to the forum at times since there's less chance of some discussions getting quickly buried.
 

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I see. Can you comment on the two chapters of DBGT Maximum that I wrote since the Redjic chapters from 2 weeks ago, when you have the time? Your interest in Redjic's backstory inspired me to brainstorm ideas to explain his power and motivations (to be revealed at a later time), so I'd like some feedback before I write more chapters in the weekend.
 

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Okay. I should be able to read one chapter today, though I'll be busy tomorrow and may be pretty late getting back to you about the 2nd one.
 

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What's a forced political agenda to you? When does it start being an issue for whatever story you're consuming?
 

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The most egregious example would be when a political ideology or message is inserted into a story in which there's no logical reason it'd be in there. For instance, trying to place heavily feminist leanings (particularly third-wave feminist ideas) in a historical series long before such things started gaining traction rarely ever works. For example, with Boardwalk Empire that I'm currently watching, it bringing up ideas about abortion that would be heavily frowned upon and secretive at best back in the 1920s is pretty immersion breaking for the character arc its involved with.
The most prevalent case tends to be when characters are less so a character and more so a walking ideologue with no interesting traits of their own. If all that one can draw from a character is their sexual orientation, race, gender, etc. with little to say about their personality, motivation, morality, etc. then their characterisation is poor due to favouring appealing to certain groups over creating a believable and interesting character. This also completely fails in the message of most creators that implement them if their goal is to try and have some equality or realism with them, as more often than not they completely fail in doing so by trying to point them out as being something special and different.
This leads into another point in how to avoid it being forced as, depending on what aspect is being implemented, it's best to have it have some impact on the character without being all they have. For instance, something like Casca from Berserk struggling with menstruation on the battlefield and the difficulties of being a woman in warfare is a case of political/social talking points being done right as it both presents a realistic take on this and this flaw leads to changes in the plot that impact the character writing for the better. Another case is with The Sopranos where the reveal of a major character as homosexual leads to genuine repercussions as it would be unrealistic for there to be none in the world of the mafia and leads to his character taking more dynamic turns in the final season that avoid the typical cliches of such a character arc, as well as the implications that another character may have had such leanings as well as how his past influenced him as a person helps explore that theme with the idea of it being a learned behaviour. These are well done takes of social-political elements in a series being explored well, as opposed to something such as Disney Star Wars making Land pansexual despite no inklings of it prior or having two non-binary Jedi despite the Jedi Order being one where its philosophies would very much go against such expression and identity; both being cases that contradict what's established in its world and provide no reason for being part of the plot/characters.

In short, the key to not making a political agenda forced is placing realistic and consistent writing over whatever the message that you want to explore is, which is a core of writing in general. No theme will land well if the plot and characters it's attached to aren't consistently written and deeply explored.
 

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Definitely one of the most damaging ones in Disney Star Wars and one of the worst plot holes in general, yet somehow nearly every problem in TRoS is even worse :alex2.
 

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What streaming or video services do you use and how would you rank then( or are you a pirate :troll)
 

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What streaming or video services do you use and how would you rank then( or are you a pirate :troll)
I use Sky Q fairly regularly, Netflix now and then and Prime Video very rarely. Sky Q probably ranks first for having The Sopranos for free alone, with Netflix then ranking 2nd for having a few good originals and some great series it picked up. Prime Video ranks far below them for both a lack of greater originals than Netflix's and its policy of only being partially free in its catalogue.

Piracy's the best option in premise, though the action of finding a good resource often makes it a last resort for me rather than a first.

Still think Revenge of the Mid is the best Star Wars movie? :donovan
By far. It's basically an encapsulation of all Lucas want from the franchise in tone, narrative and theme exploration.
 

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Thoughts on Breaking Bad and Batman: Mask of the Phantasm?
I've gone over both in the rate the last film/tv thread, but to avoid scrolling through it, Breaking Bad does an excellent job at providing a good character-driven crime drama with great development and depth to most of its cast and is quite intelligent in how its plot plays out for the most part. It's far from perfect though and not on the level of something such as, say, The Sopranos, due to some inconsistent writing for Skyler's character throughout the first 4 seasons, heavy plot armour and PIS in the Hank VS Tuco's cousins fight and Season 5 as a whole being very inconsistent in its quality with both major character inconsistencies and muddled aspects on its exploration of morality despite also featuring the best moments in the series. It's still a very good show and definitely top 5 material as far as live-action series go, but not the magnum opus of television that many cite it as. 8/10

Mask of the Phantasm had the elements to be a top tier Batman story, but was held back by a few aspects of its plot. The flashbacks of Bruce's past are easily the best part of the film with it encapsulating the depth and tragedy of his character and visualising how Batman became his true self and his path of abandoning happiness excellently with the graveyard scene being perhaps the best of BTAS, but the events of the main plot have a lot of problems. There's no explanation provided on how the Phantasm could escape from so many places without a trace when seemingly lacking the experience Batman required to gain close to that level of stealth and the fact any of the characters involved in the climax survived is just pure plot armour. It's still ultimately a solid Batman story, but didn't live up to its full potential. 7-7.5/10

Is attack of the clones considered to be the worst movie out of the prequel troligy?
It usually tends to be tied between that or TPM, with the former having been met with more (unwarranted) outrage by fans, whereas even the common complaint of the romance didn't seem to be criticised as much as the talking points of TPM like Jar Jar, politics and midichlorians were.

I'd probably rank it at the bronze medal of the prequel trilogy, mainly for finding some of the cases of symmetry within TPM's own narrative and how it ties the saga together as a whole more interesting and a few tweaks that could've been done to the Kamino reveal, but I still wouldn't cite any of the prequels as bad when viewed objectively.
 

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I've gone over both in the rate the last film/tv thread, but to avoid scrolling through it

The new Zeta doesn’t have a proper search mechanism within threads and some posts were lost in the transplant (couldn’t find the Godfather reviews in this thread😔) so get ready for me to ask new reviews on stuff I already asked:et

What is the best Batman adaptation for you? TDK? The Arkham games? BTAS as a whole?

And talking about Batman, expectations for the 2022 movie?
 

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In terms of adapting the core aspects of the character and the mythos as a whole, I don't think anything tops BTAS as an all-round encapsulation of everything the brand stands for; be it the characterisation and philosophy of Batman, the focus and variety within his villains, balancing of different tones that's essential for Batman (a guy wandering around in a caped bat costume can't always have a dark and edgy tone to it) or the impact it had on the franchise such as Mr. Freeze's future characterisation or the creation of Harley Quinn.
As far as which adaptation is best in quality outside of the comics/graphic novels, The Dark Knight is probably the best as a whole since BTAS could be quite hit or miss with its episodes, or 2019 Joker if counting it as a "Batman" story. In terms of adapting the core ideals of the comics though, it certainly leaves much to be desired with the differences made to both The Joker's background and Batman's characterisation (the latter being the area its predecessor Batman Begins excelled at adapting).

As for the new Batman film, it seems a bit underwhelming from what's been shown thus far. Robert Pattinson is far from an ideal casting choice for someone like Batman (unless someone wanted to do a Batman Beyond film with him as Terry McGinnis) and it seemingly trying to put The Riddler and The Joker in the same film might be a bit too much to balance in similar manner to how Spider-Man 3 couldn't focus evenly on Sandman, Venom and Little Goblin Jr. (gonna cry?). I do at least like the darker direction taken with The Riddler in a more Se7en-esque serial killer taunting the police route that'll probably make this cat and mouse chase the highlight of the film.
 

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Joker isn't actually in the movie, but Penguin and Catwoman are. The former seems to be staying in the background most of the time as the Mayor or something though.

I see you talking about the Sopranos a lot when someone brings up crime stories. Is it one of those rare 10/10 things for you?
 

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Definitely. The story, character writing, theme exploration and acting are all perfect throughout its entirety, with the only genuine flaws it has being a few minor casting changes after the first few episodes. Not only that, but it's essential to bring up as a benchmark when it was the first major tv crime drama to follow an anti-hero and focus heavily on morally grey characterisation to the point creators of shows such as Breaking Bad bring up Tony Soprano as a major inspiration for their character writing, making it essential to bring up for setting the bar and remaining at the top.
 

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In terms of adapting the core aspects of the character and the mythos as a whole, I don't think anything tops BTAS as an all-round encapsulation of everything the brand stands for; be it the characterisation and philosophy of Batman, the focus and variety within his villains, balancing of different tones that's essential for Batman (a guy wandering around in a caped bat costume can't always have a dark and edgy tone to it) or the impact it had on the franchise such as Mr. Freeze's future characterisation or the creation of Harley Quinn.
Batman Brave and the Bold can be argued for doing all of those, just as good if not better.:panties
As far as which adaptation is best in quality outside of the comics/graphic novels, The Dark Knight is probably the best as a whole since BTAS could be quite hit or miss with its episodes, or 2019 Joker if counting it as a "Batman" story. In terms of adapting the core ideals of the comics though, it certainly leaves much to be desired with the differences made to both The Joker's background and Batman's characterisation (the latter being the area its predecessor Batman Begins excelled at adapting).
A good post overall though I think it needs to be said, that comics Joker doesn't have a consistent personality nor background. Its essentially an open secret that the character is totally different depending on which writer is using him. Which is why he's a terrible character :ladd
 

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