SSB Vegetto (FT arc) vs SS2 Kefla

[Future Warrior]

Who wins?

 

[SSJ2]

Vegetto stomps.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Kefla is stronger than initial UI Goku according to Piccolo and Vegito was long surpassed by suppress Jiren himself.

Current UI Goku > SSjin2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku > Suppressed Jiren >>> KK20X SSjinB Goku

 

[xenos5]

Kefla is stronger than initial UI Goku according to Piccolo and Vegito was long surpassed by suppress Jiren himself.

Current UI Goku > SSjin2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku > Suppressed Jiren >>> KK20X SSjinB Goku

Yup. And the difference between Current UI Goku and SSJ2 Kefla also is small enough that Roshi stated the final attack Kefla used would kill Goku if it landed.

 

[Void]

Kefla definitely takes it.

 

[Pocket-God]

As stupid as it sounds, Kefla should win this.

 

[Papasmurf]

I give it to Vegetto because I can't see even Toei being so retarded that they'd forget Blueku and Vegeta >>>>> Kale and Caulifla

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Kefla seems to have the upperhand here.

 

[Animelover5487]

I am starting to think Vegetto is on Beerus level, like in the manga. Beerus wrecks Kefla and UI Goku, and therefore Vegetto wrecks as well.

 

[xenos5]

I give it to Vegetto because I can't see even Toei being so retarded that they'd forget Blueku and Vegeta >>>>> Kale and Caulifla

1. Base Kefla is SSG level + (had a clear advantage against SSG Goku). She seems unnaturally strong for a base fusion. We don't know if Base Vegito is SSG level. In fact considering it was said fusion wouldn't be enough against Beerus (even with them only having seen a small amount of suppressed Beerus's power) and the way SSG was competitive with suppressed Beerus it actually seems unlikely Base Vegito is SSG level +.

2. Future Trunks arc SSB seems to be below current SSB. ToP Arc SSB Vegeta had the advantage against Toppo despite Zen Exhibition Match Toppo forcing Goku to use SSBKK.

 

[Keedounan]

I give it to Vegetto because I can't see even Toei being so retarded that they'd forget Blueku and Vegeta >>>>> Kale and Caulifla

1. Base Kefla is SSG level + (had a clear advantage against SSG Goku). She seems unnaturally strong for a base fusion. We don't know if Base Vegito is SSG level. In fact considering it was said fusion wouldn't be enough against Beerus (even with them only having seen a small amount of suppressed Beerus's power) and the way SSG was competitive with suppressed Beerus it actually seems unlikely Base Vegito is SSG level +.

We're talking about FT arc, though. In this arc, Base Vegetto, in the manga at least, is hinted to be a beast, considering his blast against Zamasu. Back then I didn't took it seriously, but considering what they're doing in Anime, it's pretty clear that the multipliers are Plot-based.

2. Future Trunks arc SSB seems to be below current SSB. ToP Arc SSB Vegeta had the advantage against Toppo despite Zen Exhibition Match Toppo forcing Goku to use SSBKK.

Well, to be fair, Vegeta powered up twice in the RoSaT (once in FT arc, and another time right before the tournament) and trained a bit with Whis. In comparison, Goku didn't train that much.

I still think Kefla > Vegetto, at least the one in the Anime, as stupid as it sounds. Jiren was stated to be much stronger than everyone else Z-Team fought, which include Merged Zamasu, and Vegetto struggled against him. Kefla, on the other hand, was quite close to UI Goku in power.

 

[xenos5]

I still think Kefla > Vegetto, at least the one in the Anime, as stupid as it sounds. Jiren was stated to be much stronger than everyone else Z-Team fought, which include Merged Zamasu, and Vegetto struggled against him. Kefla, on the other hand, was quite close to UI Goku in power.

Yeah the difference between Current UI Goku and SSJ2 Kefla is definitely small.

Roshi's statement that UI Goku would be killed if he was hit by any of those lasers emanating from the full power aura especially indicates that.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Roshi's statement that UI Goku would be killed if he was hit by any of those lasers emanating from the full power aura especially indicates that.

To be fair though, Goku's stamina was low and he barely had enough power left for a Kamehameha when dealing with Kefla's final weapon.

 

[xenos5]

To be fair though, Goku's stamina was low and he barely had enough power left for a Kamehameha when dealing with Kefla's final weapon.

Goku actually further mastered Ultra Instinct and got more powerful as the fight went on (to the point he got Jiren's attention when him powering up at the beginning of the episode didn't get Jiren's attention).

His stamina determined how much time left he had in the form, not how much power he could use in it.

Power-wise

SSJ2 Kefla's Full Power Laser Aura Barrage (since Roshis said it would kill him if it landed) > End of 116 UI Goku >= SSJ2 Kefla > beginning of 116 UI Goku (since his punch didn't do much damage before he powered up further, however his Automatic Reactions made up for his small stat disadvantage quite a bit) > 110 UI Goku/Initial UI Goku

 

[Future Warrior]

I could never fathom the fact that a fusion of two weaker Saiyan's at a weaker form can even match a fusion of Goku and Vegeta at Super Saiyan fucking Blue even if it was from an arc before, so I'd rather say Vegetto takes this.

 

[xenos5]

I could never fathom the fact that a fusion of two weaker Saiyan's at a weaker form can even match a fusion of Goku and Vegeta at Super Saiyan fucking Blue even if it was from an arc before, so I'd rather say Vegetto takes this.

Kale's Berserker SSJ is close to SSG (she could deflect an energy blast from SSG Goku albeit with significant effort).

Kefla is SSG level + in base and she had Caulifla's SSJ mixed with the Berserker SSJ multiplier making it even more powerful, and the same with her Berserker SSJ2.

 

[Keedounan]

I could never fathom the fact that a fusion of two weaker Saiyan's at a weaker form can even match a fusion of Goku and Vegeta at Super Saiyan fucking Blue even if it was from an arc before, so I'd rather say Vegetto takes this.

Kale's Berserker SSJ is close to SSG (she could deflect an energy blast from SSG Goku albeit with significant effort).

SSG Goku could tank her point-blank energy blast and easily destroyed her blast with his own. Like you said she had a lot of trouble deflecting his blast. Also keep in mind that Goku wasn't at full stamina.

Berserker Kale is clearly no match for a SSJG. That said, I would definitely place her at SSJ3 level or above.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Goku actually further mastered Ultra Instinct and got more powerful as the fight went on (to the point he got Jiren's attention when him powering up at the beginning of the episode didn't get Jiren's attention).

I never denied that Goku further improved. In fact, this was made explicit by Kefla saying that he's powered up, by Toppo saying that he's growing stronger, by Goku saying he's getting the hang of Ultra Instinct, and by Dyspo mentioning that his attacks have become even more polished.

His stamina determined how much time left he had in the form, not how much power he could use in it.

When stamina is low, power tends to be too. The last parts of Golden Frieza and SSJB Goku's fight in the Fukkatsu No F Saga illustrates this.

Power-wise

SSJ2 Kefla's Full Power Laser Aura Barrage (since Roshis said it would kill him if it landed) > End of 116 UI Goku >= SSJ2 Kefla > beginning of 116 UI Goku (since his punch didn't do much damage before he powered up further, however his Automatic Reactions made up for his small stat disadvantage quite a bit) > 110 UI Goku/Initial UI Goku

I agree with the chain, though I doubt the power of Kefla's final attack could kill a peak condition Goku. 100% UI Goku ought to be quite a bit ahead of SSJ2 Kefla.

 

[Future Warrior]

In all seriousness Kefla > Vegetto Blue based on what I've seen from this episode but it just feels so wrong...

 

[Keedounan]

In all seriousness Kefla > Vegetto Blue based on what I've seen from this episode but it just feels so wrong...

Well, it's :toei