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Manga versions. This is their first trip to the future, which means Vegeta hasn't entered the Rosat yet.
SSGSS Goku/Vegeta vs SSGSS Black
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Not sure what the point of this thread was tbh. I doubt anyone would argue against Black oneshotting when his SSJ form's peak was at least equal to SSB Vegeta. Having Goku here makes no difference based on that alone, unless we assume SSB Black = SSR Black.
In that case, it may become more debatable, though I'd ultimately still give it to Black, assuming it's both Saiyans during the first trip.
In that case, it may become more debatable, though I'd ultimately still give it to Black, assuming it's both Saiyans during the first trip.
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Well... Vegeta was at least able to stand his ground against Black regardless.
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I'd chalk that up to Vegeta's naturally insane durability (eg. Saiyan Arc battle, Pure Boo fight, etc.), unless we assume Black's equivalent of SSG/SSB that is SSR is nerfed to shit.
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Future Warrior said:Well... Vegeta was at least able to stand his ground against Black regardless.
Stand his ground ? Nope, Black was utterly whooping Vegeta's ass. Even if you look at the panel, you can clearly see that Vegeta is getting beaten up.
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The gap between Vegeta and Black is YUGE!!! Adding Goku as Vegeta's team won't make any difference.
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Venato said:Future Warrior said:Well... Vegeta was at least able to stand his ground against Black regardless.
Stand his ground ? Nope, Black was utterly whooping Vegeta's ass. Even if you look at the panel, you can clearly see that Vegeta is getting beaten up.
Top panel.
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Future Warrior said:Venato said:Future Warrior said:Well... Vegeta was at least able to stand his ground against Black regardless.
Stand his ground ? Nope, Black was utterly whooping Vegeta's ass. Even if you look at the panel, you can clearly see that Vegeta is getting beaten up.
Top panel.
Precisely. Vegeta was clearly getting beaten.
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Venato said:
Not to me, he's at least able to trade blows.
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The whole point of that fight is to show that Black surpassed them and Vegeta needs to enter in the ROSAT, similar to what happened to him when Cell kicked Vegeta's ass.
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Captain Cadaver said:
What impulse do you give to the SSJR about Goku Black's SSJ?
Personally, I think the last Base increase for Goku Black was when Future Trunks returned to the Future with Goku and Vegeta. In that space of time, Goku Black trained and increased a little its power in Base state and increased its SSJ multiplier. I think that after Zenkai Power, the Multiplier of SSJ of Goku Black, reached 50x Base and from that moment, managed to overcome Vegeta SSJB.
Vegeta SSJB (Post Rosat) >> Goku Black SSJR.
