SSJ Gohan (One arm) vs Future 17 and 18 (<50%)

[GSM123]

So, Gohan knocks out Trunks and goes fight the twins, but 17 does not raise his power like he did in canon and fights on his <50% level. Can Gohan take out both?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

It's hard to determine the gap between Gohan and what he thought Androids' max was.
Gohan was one armed, outnumbered and possibly tired from the sparring session with
Trunks. For him to believe he had serious chances, the gap might as well be enormous.
But it depends on how optimistic you think he was.

 

[Pyro]

No. It would be two against one, and I don't believe Gohan was so far above 40% 17 that he could beat him without issue, especially lacking an entire arm. I think at best, he'd be at 45% 17, which is a 12% gap - enough for him to be confident in fighting one-on-one, but not enough to stomp 17. Adding 18 into the fight makes this a Dodoria & Zarbon vs Vegeta type battle, but even closer due to their infinite stamina.

 

[p123]

Gohan went there thinking he could beat both Androids together.
Trunks gets a little bit stronger, thinks he can do the same...

Gohan has to be somewhere around 1.2-1.25x the Androids. Trunks is probably 1.33x.

People always downplay this gap between Gohan and the Androids, but they fail because Trunks further solidifies the point. We have not only one, but now two characters, willing to risk it all in a 2 on 1 situation. The story doesn't make sense if you can't reasonably show this...

1) Zarbon/Dodoria can definitely defeat Vegeta.
2) Goku, Vegeta and Gohan can definitely defeat Fat Buu Powered Up.

So we should take those levels into account. Gohan thinks he can reasonably win means there should be a larger gap between Gohan and the Androids than Fat Buu had on the Saiyans and Vegeta has on Freeza's bitches.

 

[Pyro]

Gohan went there thinking he could beat both Androids together.
Trunks gets a little bit stronger, thinks he can do the same...

Gohan has to be somewhere around 1.2-1.25x the Androids. Trunks is probably 1.33x.

People always downplay this gap between Gohan and the Androids, but they fail because Trunks further solidifies the point. We have not only one, but now two characters, willing to risk it all in a 2 on 1 situation. The story doesn't make sense if you can't reasonably show this...

1) Zarbon/Dodoria can definitely defeat Vegeta.
2) Goku, Vegeta and Gohan can definitely defeat Fat Buu Powered Up.

So we should take those levels into account. Gohan thinks he can reasonably win means there should be a larger gap between Gohan and the Androids than Fat Buu had on the Saiyans and Vegeta has on Freeza's bitches.

The higher you push 1-armed Gohan, the less room you have for SSJ Goku/Vegeta/Trunks, pre-Kami Piccolo, and Android 20, considering SSJ Vegeta ~ Future 18.

 

[p123]

In terms of the "Less than Half" issue?

 

[GSM123]

Gohan's behavior is quite contradictory here. "You're our only hope Trunks, to that's why i'm jumping to my death. Wait, 17 can kill me? SHIT!" That makes quite hard to determinate the gap.

 

[p123]

Which is why Trunks making the same mistake solidifies Gohan's position.