SSJ2's Dragon Ball Power Levels

[SSJ2]

I plan to add to this as I read through.

BoDB

Goku: 50
-Hungry: 35

Yamcha: 45

21st Budokai

Bacterian: 70

Yamcha: 80

Ran Fan: 30

Jackie Chun (initial): 200
-increased effort vs Krillin: 275 (Krillin couldn't see the punch at all but Goku saw it clearly)
-after image vs Krillin: 320
-vs Goku: 340

Goku (no tail): 190
-Tail: 300
-vs Namu: 350 (Chun acknowledges that Goku may beat him after defeating Namu)

Namu: 310

Giran: 110

Krillin (initial): 185
-after tracking Jackie's punch: 235

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Was Yamcha really that weak?

 

[SSJ2]

He was blown out of the arena by wind created by Jackie waving his hand, so I'd say so.

 

[Animelover5487]

I think Yamcha being 80% of Goku during the start of the series is a bit too low. Even after Goku got a full stomach him and Yamcha were trading blows evenly for a while and Yamcha was only defeated because Goku knocked out one of his teeth and was afraid that his looks were being "tarnished". Yamcha even said they were rivals before the tournament.

Ranfan > BODB Goku. And, where's Bacterian at?

 

[SSJ2]

Agreed on Yamcha. Will change.

I don't think Ranfan can throw a car... Though she has impressive feats such as dodging a serious attack from Namu.

Forgot about Bacterian's existence. Started reading at volume 4.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Which could further implies that lift =/= BP?

 

[SSJ2]

The SEG claims that lifting power is increased by using ki.

 

[Animelover5487]

SSJ2, I would put Bacterian near Yamcha or at the least considerably stronger than the Orin Temple Bully (who's stronger than BODB Krillin) since he took a serious kick from Krillin, the same kick that sent the bully flying.

 

[SSJ2]

Ok, thanks for the input. Was too lazy to reread Krillin vs Bacterian lol.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think Goku (w/o Tail) > Kuririn, too even-though they are very close rivals.

 

[SSJ2]

Initial Krillin? If so then I agree. I think once Krillin can see Jackie's punch then he surpasses Goku without tail by a decent amount.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Initial Krillin? If so then I agree. I think once Krillin can see Jackie's punch then he surpasses Goku without tail by a decent amount.

I'd say he surpassed Kuririn all together. He pushed the rock a bit further than Kuririn and jumped a bit higher, too I think.

 

[SSJ2]

I'm not sure. I think they weren't going all out in that scene, or perhaps they were worn out or something.

@ahill1, what do you think of these levels?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. 21st TB Yamcha still considered BODB Goku a big deal. Lower him to 55-60
2. I give 1.33x-1.5x to Yamcha/Initial Roshi
3. Too big gap Goku/Namu

 

[ahill]

@SSJ2

Goku: 50
-Hungry: 35

Yamcha: 45

Hungry Goku should be closer to Yamcha imo. Though Goku would probably lose by his hungry aggravated, he could still keep up with Yamcha, hitting him with his Nyoi-Bo and his Janken technique. The fight wasn't really that one sided. Unless this is Goku, with the hungry further aggravated?

Ran Fan: 30

I think she might be a bit too low, considering her feats against Namu. She hurting Namu could still be excused by the latter being off guard, but Ran Fan also dodged his attack, though dodge one thing isn't always a synonym of being close, seeing Kuririn also did it to Nappa. Still, Kuririn wasn't multi-fold below the level Nappa was using at that moment, with the gap being at most 3x. Ran Fan being 1/10 of Namu's power seems too much of a gap imo.

-after image vs Krillin: 320
-vs Goku: 340

Barely an increase, but I don't think it matters too much and there's nothing wrong with it either.

Goku (no tail): 190
-Tail: 300
-vs Namu: 350 (Chun acknowledges that Goku may beat him after defeating Namu)

Like withheld said, Goku's gap over Namu might be a bit too large, considering it wasn't really a one sided fight, with them both exchanging blows evenly for a moment. As you don't think Goku held back any power vs Namu, the gap should be smaller, I would think. I personally go with 94%.

Giran: 110

Giran also seems too low compared to no tail Goku. His tail hurt Goku, with the latter even saying the narrator was really exaggerating by saying nothing happened, but yeah, son was totally off guard. Still, he had to exert effort in dodging Giran's punch and punching him in the gut:

A 75~80% gap between Giran and no tail Goku seems more appopriate IMO.

 

[SSJ2]

@ahill1

Hungry Goku should be closer to Yamcha imo. Though Goku would probably lose by his hungry aggravated, he could still keep up with Yamcha, hitting him with his Nyoi-Bo and his Janken technique. The fight wasn't really that one sided. Unless this is Goku, with the hungry further aggravated?

Agreed.

I think she might be a bit too low, considering her feats against Namu. She hurting Namu could still be excused by the latter being off guard, but Ran Fan also dodged his attack, though dodge one thing isn't always a synonym of being close, seeing Kuririn also did it to Nappa. Still, Kuririn wasn't multi-fold below the level Nappa was using at that moment, with the gap being at most 3x. Ran Fan being 1/10 of Namu's power seems too much of a gap imo.

Her counterattacks caught Namu off guard... I agree that the gap seems drastic, but I don't see a logical way to make it consistent. I feel like I'm giving her credit based on her dodge of Namu's serious attack, but I can't see her defeating BoDB Goku in a battle. Perhaps I'm biased towards Goku here?

Barely an increase, but I don't think it matters too much and there's nothing wrong with it either.

Yeah I think it was a small increase. Roshi got "for real" serious when he finished off Krillin, but then he said he had to get super serious for the first time in a while and actually go all out against Goku. I think his all out level is just more of a sustained level that he used against Krillin, instead of just using one after image. He sustains that level of power and even a bit more. Let me know if you disagree.

Like withheld said, Goku's gap over Namu might be a bit too large, considering it wasn't really a one sided fight, with them both exchanging blows evenly for a moment. As you don't think Goku held back any power vs Namu, the gap should be smaller, I would think. I personally go with 94%.

My counter to that, is how do you explain Goku bouncing back from Namu's sky dive attack with literally no damage? Namu missed the vital spot? I am tempted to agree as I always have had a tight gap, but after rereading, I feel like Goku was shrugging off everything Namu had to give him.

Giran also seems too low compared to no tail Goku. His tail hurt Goku, with the latter even saying the narrator was really exaggerating by saying nothing happened, but yeah, son was totally off guard. Still, he had to exert effort in dodging Giran's punch and punching him in the gut:
A 75~80% gap between Giran and no tail Goku seems more appopriate IMO.

Agreed.

 

[ahill]

@SSJ2

Her counterattacks caught Namu off guard... I agree that the gap seems drastic, but I don't see a logical way to make it consistent. I feel like I'm giving her credit based on her dodge of Namu's serious attack, but I can't see her defeating BoDB Goku in a battle. Perhaps I'm biased towards Goku here?

Yeah, maybe. Frankly speaking, I had a hard time seeing Ran Fan beating Videl and was sure Ran Fan wasn't all of this, thinking her only strength consisted on her seductions techniques. But looking deeper into this, she has some serious feats against a foe who was able to fight pretty well against tailed Goku. While it's hard picturing Ran Fan beating BoDB Goku, her feats would dictate so, and that's a better evidence than arguing she isn't that strong because "she doesn't seem capable of this" IMO.

Yeah I think it was a small increase. Roshi got "for real" serious when he finished off Krillin, but then he said he had to get super serious for the first time in a while and actually go all out against Goku. I think his all out level is just more of a sustained level that he used against Krillin, instead of just using one after image. He sustains that level of power and even a bit more. Let me know if you disagree.

Fair enough. Also, maybe he used full power when finishing Kuririn but wasn't serious? #18 said she would start to use full power against Vegeta, but she didn't look serious at all, so maybe this situation can also apply here.

My counter to that, is how do you explain Goku bouncing back from Namu's sky dive attack with literally no damage? Namu missed the vital spot? I am tempted to agree as I always have had a tight gap, but after rereading, I feel like Goku was shrugging off everything Namu had to give him.

The 'missing the vital spots" seems to be more a excuse given by Namu due to his disbelief at Goku waking up. Namu was doing pretty well in a hand to hand combat and decided to use his special technique due to being the better way to beat a dizzy Goku (at least according to him), since throwing him out of bounds could be dangerous due to his tail. I think Goku's resilience/toughness might take a big hole on it too, like when Goku survived Piccolo Junior's final explosion at the 23rd Budokai, shocking everyone. Roshi, at the 23rd Budokai, also implied Goku's main 'weapon' is his natural toughness:

 

[xmysticgohanx]

@ahill1 he seems to be imply his toughness is a new thing

 

[ahill]

Yeah, reading again, the "He's acquired" seems something new, which is a bit nonsense imo. Will see what Herms has.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

That and he also says "What's most fearsome about Goku NOW" butyeah I wonder what Herms says