SSJB Goku (ROF arc) vs #17

[Animelover5487]

If 17 wins then make it Champa arc Blue Goku.

 

[Keedounan]

#17 wins both rounds. I have #17 > SSJG Goku (ToP arc) > SSJB Goku (Champa arc)

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Manga-wise, Goku stomps. Anime-wise, #17 oneshots due to seemingly being on SSB tier and Current SSB Goku is at least 10x stronger than what he was during the Universe 6 tournament.

 

[Papasmurf]

Apparently the reason #17's so fapped in the anime version of ToP is because AT requested they make him powerful because he likes him personally. Would post a source on that if I weren't tired as fuck.

 

[Animelover5487]

Apparently the reason #17's so fapped in the anime version of ToP is because AT requested they make him powerful because he likes him personally. Would post a source on that if I weren't tired as fuck.

Makes sense. Though I find even Toyotaro's version stupidly OP. 17 getting beyond Post-God SSJ3 tier from beating on some poachers is retarded either way.

 

[Papasmurf]

Trunks went from barely above Dabra level to that tier in like a year though. I think we're gonna have to accept that both the manga and anime of Super has :toei tier retardedly huge training gains

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Apparently the reason #17's so fapped in the anime version of ToP is because AT requested they make him powerful because he likes him personally. Would post a source on that if I weren't tired as fuck.

Well...

 

[Animelover5487]

Trunks went from barely above Dabra level to that tier in like a year though. I think we're gonna have to accept that both the manga and anime of Super has :toei tier retardedly huge training gains

Future Dabura was likely much stronger than his present counterpart. As Trunks at that point was able to wield the Z-Sword with ease whereas Boo arc Goku struggled to hold it. #17 was fodder to Imperfect Cell (Humans) who is light years below Present or Future Dabura. So no the gain isn't as ridiculous.

Furthermore, Trunks was likely receiving Zenkais from all the beatdowns Black gave him.

 

[Papasmurf]

Well yeah, but it seems Trunks didn't make much noticeable progress in the years after Cell going by how he commented he'd have never gotten that strong had he not met , so the vast majority of Trunks' gains were in the ~1 year period after Babidi invaded. Not that I don't agree the wilderness gains are fucking stupid, but Trunks progressing that fast is still garbo either way.

 

[Pyro]

Anime 17 wins both rounds effortlessly. Manga 17 loses both rounds in a second.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Eh, good for in making sure a good character didn't get dunked on. Otherwise he might have just ended up as fodder for Goku and Vegeta.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Eh, good for in making sure a good character didn't get dunked on. Otherwise he might have just ended up as fodder for Goku and Vegeta.

By all means Cell should still be and always be >>> Android #17. This is horse-shit.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Eh, good for in making sure a good character didn't get dunked on. Otherwise he might have just ended up as fodder for Goku and Vegeta.

By all means Cell should still be and allays be >>> Android #17. This is horse-shit.

It's not the first time he's surpassed Cell either. 8)

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Eh, good for in making sure a good character didn't get dunked on. Otherwise he might have just ended up as fodder for Goku and Vegeta.

By all means Cell should still be and allays be >>> Android #17. This is horse-shit.

It's not the first time he's surpassed Cell either. 8)

 

[Animelover5487]

Eh, good for in making sure a good character didn't get dunked on. Otherwise he might have just ended up as fodder for Goku and Vegeta.

By all means Cell should still be and always be >>> Android #17. This is horse-shit.

Don't worry, if Cell was in Super he would probably be Jiren level from a few days of "training".

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Eh, good for in making sure a good character didn't get dunked on. Otherwise he might have just ended up as fodder for Goku and Vegeta.

By all means Cell should still be and always be >>> Android #17. This is horse-shit.

Don't worry, if Cell was in Super he would probably be Jiren level from a few days of "training".

But he isn't sadly. Cell is getting screwed.

 

[Pyro]

Wait until next series. Cell will be brought back and Freeza will be totally ignored.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Gohan better be the one to defeat him again.