SSjin Gohan (Post Z Sword) vs Perfect Cell

[Pakl]

Who wins? I think Cell wins easily

 

[GSM123]

I think Cell stomps. Z Sword Gohan shouldn’t be that strong.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku questioning Gohan's chances against Boo rather than outright refuting them would suggest Gohan is closing in on Fat Boo's power. Half of that is still going to be enough to stomp even the likes of SPC, nevermind the weaker version of Perfect Cell.

 

[Pakl]

Goku questioning Gohan's chances against Boo rather than outright refuting them would suggest Gohan is closing in on Fat Boo's power. Half of that is still going to be enough to stomp even the likes of SPC, nevermind the weaker version of Perfect Cell.

Goku's questioning was to show that he doubts it's the case and then Old Kaioshin tells them they are wrong

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If Gohan had no chance, Goku's wording would be far more frank as it was when telling Piccolo he stood no chance against Cell. There's no reason to believe Goku would sugarcoat the situation by only being dubious of the idea Gohan could now beat Boo.

 

[SSJ2]

Rip Cell. I think SSJ Gohan would one shot even Super Perfect Cell.

 

[GSM123]

If Gohan had no chance, Goku's wording would be far more frank as it was when telling Piccolo he stood no chance against Cell. There's no reason to believe Goku would sugarcoat the situation by only being dubious of the idea Gohan could now beat Boo.

Goku only was blunt with Piccolo because he asked, otherwise all he’d have said would’ve said was “Hey Piccolo you’re pretty strong blah blah blah”.

Did Goku ever recognize Gohan’s gains? He at least commented on Piccolo’s gains, when all he had to say about Gohan was about his swordsmanship IIRC. Gohan himself didn’t think he got that strong.

 

[Pakl]

If Gohan had no chance, Goku's wording would be far more frank as it was when telling Piccolo he stood no chance against Cell. There's no reason to believe Goku would sugarcoat the situation by only being dubious of the idea Gohan could now beat Boo.

Goku asks "is he greater than Boo, I wonder?" pretty much sounds he doubts the sword ability and then Old Kaioshin says they are wrong. I think SSjin 2 Gohan was just as strong as Good Boo meaning somewhat ahead of SSjin 2 Goku

 

[Pakl]

Rip Cell. I think SSJ Gohan would one shot even Super Perfect Cell.

How? That would make his SSjin 2 at least as strong as Fat Boo

 

[SSJ2]

SSJ3 Goku: 100

Fat Boo: 92

SSJ2 Z Sword Gohan: 86

SSJ Z Sword Gohan: 43

SSJ2 Goku: 25

Super Perfect Cell: 21

 

[Pakl]

SSJ3 Goku: 100

Fat Boo: 92

SSJ2 Z Sword Gohan: 86

SSJ Z Sword Gohan: 43

SSJ2 Goku: 25

Super Perfect Cell: 21

You use 2x multiplier for SSjin 2? Man, that's a surprise.

Why did Gohan get so strong? If that was the case, Goku would had pointed out that Gohan might stand a chance. Old Kaioshin said they are wrong

 

[SSJ2]

I'm fine with either a 2x or 4x multiplier for SSJ2. If I was to go with a 4x multiplier then this would be a dead even fight.

Regardless, I think Goku's questioning of Gohan's abilities validates his strength. Goku himself was doubting that Gohan could beat Boo, but if Gohan really didn't gain any power then the answer should have been more straightforward. Let's not forget that Gohan went from barely being able to lift the sword in Base to being able to wield it masterfully. Goku himself had a lot of trouble swinging it around in Base. Gohan initially needed Super Saiyan to wield the sword effectively, and he surpassed that effectiveness in Base after training. I don't see how someone's physical strength could increase that much in the span of 1 day. Gohan's ki must've improved dramatically for him to make such improvements imo.

 

[Pakl]

I'm fine with either a 2x or 4x multiplier for SSJ2. If I was to go with a 4x multiplier then this would be a dead even fight.

Regardless, I think Goku's questioning of Gohan's abilities validates his strength. Goku himself was doubting that Gohan could beat Boo, but if Gohan really didn't gain any power then the answer should have been more straightforward. Let's not forget that Gohan went from barely being able to lift the sword in Base to being able to wield it masterfully. Goku himself had a lot of trouble swinging it around in Base. Gohan initially needed Super Saiyan to wield the sword effectively, and he surpassed that effectiveness in Base after training. I don't see how someone's physical strength could increase that much in the span of 1 day. Gohan's ki must've improved dramatically for him to make such improvements imo.

No one says Gohan did not get stronger. It's just that he did not get that much stronger. Goku's wonder was an obvious way of being gentle and not saying it sounds bullshit Then you have Old Kaioshin stating they are wrong.

Gohan needed SSjin too pull out the sword, not to lift it

 

[SSJ2]

Gohan was shown training with the sword using Super Saiyan.

A while later, he is shown using the sword in Base and Kaioshin made note of how far he had come.

Later on he is shown wielding the Sword in Base with complete mastery. Considering he had to use Super Saiyan to train with it effectively, this should speak volumes about his growth.

 

[Pakl]

Gohan was shown training with the sword using Super Saiyan.

A while later, he is shown using the sword in Base and Kaioshin made note of how far he had come.

Later on he is shown wielding the Sword in Base with complete mastery. Considering he had to use Super Saiyan to train with it effectively, this should speak volumes about his growth.

As a SSjin he easily trains with it. Before he started training, he was having troubles in base, he got twices stronger and later it was easy even in base

That does not mean he was that strong

 

[GSM123]

[mention]SuperSaiyan2[/mention] you think Base Gohan Post Z Sword > SSJ Gohan Pre Sword?