SSjin Vegetto (Androids Arc) vs Super Perfect Cell

[Pyro]

How so? It doesn't make sense to me that the Base power would rely on the strongest power of the individuals. Goku wanted to fuse with Ultimate Gohan to beat Gotenks Boo. Shouldn't their Base power be above Gotenks Boo going by this logic? It should at least be stronger than Ultimate Gohan, but then his SSJ form would be pretty well on Vegetto's level, and that's definitely not suggested.

I think the most obvious example is Gogeta. In BoG, Goku stated fusion wouldn't work against Beerus, yet Base Gogeta was stronger than Super Saiyan Blue, let alone Super Saiyan God.

 

[SSJ2]

SSJ2 Vegeta was > SSJ3 Vegetto though

 

[Pyro]

That ain't even supported in the narrative, you fucking clackbridge troll.

 

[SSJ2]

In the BoG anime it is.

 

[Pyro]

I don't see how.

 

[SSJ2]

Well, Goku fought Beerus and got absolutely stomped and proceeded to say that Vegetto wouldn't be enough to win. Goku said this without being able to sense Beerus' ki, which means he was basing that off the level Beerus used against him. SSJ2 Vegeta then forced Beerus to use 10% of his power to put him down. Goku thought Vegetto wouldn't have a chance against the initial level Beerus used, but Vegeta clearly did.

 

[Pyro]

Well, Goku fought Beerus and got absolutely stomped and proceeded to say that Vegetto wouldn't be enough to win. Goku said this without being able to sense Beerus' ki, which means he was basing that off the level Beerus used against him. SSJ2 Vegeta then forced Beerus to use 10% of his power to put him down. Goku thought Vegetto wouldn't have a chance against the initial level Beerus used, but Vegeta clearly did.

And Beerus was using the same level against everybody?

 

[SSJ2]

And Beerus was using the same level against everybody?

I don't see why we would assume otherwise.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

We don’t even know for sure if Goku and Gohan could fuse at all. The difference in power was too large.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku didn't think it would be a problem.

 

[Pyro]

I don't see why we would assume otherwise.

Either way, it results in the same thing. Goku couldn't sense Beerus's ki, so whether Beerus was using the same power level and different effort output (like Raditz) or changing his power level, he would need to be doing something in order to not effortlessly kill all the Z Fighters since there's a vast gulf in between a lot of them.

 

[SSJ2]

Why does that disprove SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ3 Vegetto tho.

 

[Pyro]

It might not, but there's nothing in Goku's assessment of Beerus that supports it either.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I think the most obvious example is Gogeta. In BoG, Goku stated fusion wouldn't work against Beerus, yet Base Gogeta was stronger than Super Saiyan Blue, let alone Super Saiyan God.

Beerus > Fusion >>>> SSJB > SSJG.

 

[Pyro]

Beerus > Fusion >>>> SSJB > SSJG.

Well, obviously. Get with this year.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Well, obviously. Get with this year.

I'm not questioning you, I just find it hilarious how dbs even contradicts Ssjg > Vegito later on

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Shouldn't their Base power be above Gotenks Boo going by this logic?

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

 

[SSJ2]

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

That's potara. I was talking about fusion dance.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That's potara. I was talking about fusion dance.

You just had to go and embarrass me, after all the trouble I went through to find the quote, didn’t you?

 

[SSJ2]

You just had to go and embarrass me, after all the trouble I went through to find the quote, didn’t you?