SSjin3: A Flawed SSjin Transformation?

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku barely used it even on Super and Vegeta never made an attempt to learn that form probably because he noticed the flaw of that form since it consumed a lot of energy which is why he didn't attempt to learn it. Can we add SSjin3 in the same category of ASSjin?

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku only discarded SSJ3 (or rather almost discontinued its usage) once he got his god forms, while Grade 2 was tossed in the trash bin in favor of just mastering SSJ1 and didn't see a single use in battle. That tells me SSJ3 at least has more use in battle when they don't have more powerful forms, while "ASSJin" isn't even worth the extra ki consumption.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's probably 2nd only to SSJ 3rd Grade as the most flawed and easily the most useless of the Super Saiyan forms when it came to the narrative. The grade forms at least served the purpose of being trial and error in mastering Super Saiyan, whereas SS3 did nothing of contribution in the plot.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku only discarded SSJ3 (or rather almost discontinued its usage) once he got his god forms, while Grade 2 was tossed in the trash bin in favor of just mastering SSJ1 and didn't see a single use in battle. That tells me SSJ3 at least has more use in battle when they don't have more powerful forms, while "ASSJin" isn't even worth the extra ki consumption.

Thoughts on Vegeta of not attempting to learn it?

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku only discarded SSJ3 (or rather almost discontinued its usage) once he got his god forms, while Grade 2 was tossed in the trash bin in favor of just mastering SSJ1 and didn't see a single use in battle. That tells me SSJ3 at least has more use in battle when they don't have more powerful forms, while "ASSJin" isn't even worth the extra ki consumption.

Thoughts on Vegeta of not attempting to learn it?

It either can't be learned outside of the afterlife (unless fused like Gotenks), considering F. Trunks wasn't able to learn it either, or Vegeta realized a form that poops you out before you can even charge yourself up to full power wasn't worth learning.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I think it's a bit of both of those. For what video games are worth, Raging Blast heavily implies SS3 can't be learnt on the regular mortal plane (unless you're ) and Vegeta definitely isn't the type to go for such a form when he presumably saw Grade 3 as pointless using. He did use SSB in the manga despite the Ki burn from turning it off and on, though that can be chalked up to it being the only time he used it so recklessly and he went about rectifying his mistake during the Goku Negro rematch.

 

[SSJ2]

I wonder if it's possible to master SSJ3 to negate the stamina loss.

 

[Papasmurf]

I think it's a bit of both of those. For what video games are worth, Raging Blast heavily implies SS3 can't be learnt on the regular mortal plane (unless you're ) and Vegeta definitely isn't the type to go for such a form when he presumably saw Grade 3 as pointless using. He did use SSB in the manga despite the Ki burn from turning it off and on, though that can be chalked up to it being the only time he used it so recklessly and he went about rectifying his mistake during the Goku Negro rematch.

Isn't this pretty much peak idiocy when Vegeta had 3 years to test out the form in the RoSaT and should've known transforming into it twice costs a fuckton of energy?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Implying Super isn't peak idiocy on a regular basis. 2

 

[Papasmurf]

Hell, why did Vegeta even revert back to base after one-shotting Cabba? He'd have saved more energy just waiting for Hit to fight him in SSJB

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The omnipotent Tori-Bot obviously GASLIGHTED him into reverting to base so Galu could take the spotlight.

 

[Papasmurf]

The omnipotent Tori-Bot obviously GASLIGHTED him into reverting to base so Galu could take the spotlight.

So Toriyama's money and fame are entirely due to his GASLIGHTING powers?

... remind me to become a mangaka soon.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I wonder if it's possible to master SSJ3 to negate the stamina loss.

Given how Gotenks and Boo didn’t suffer such severe Ki drain, I think it’s possible, albeit very hard if not impossible without special means. I find likely Goku could minimize it, but not get rid of it completely.

 

[Baby Bich]

Son Goku used it well enough when dead.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I wonder if it's possible to master SSJ3 to negate the stamina loss.

Given how Gotenks and Boo didn’t suffer such severe Ki drain, I think it’s possible, albeit very hard if not impossible without special means. I find likely Goku could minimize it, but not get rid of it completely.

It could be argue that Gotenks is a fusion and the SS3 form drained his fusion time rather than his stamina.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I wonder if it's possible to master SSJ3 to negate the stamina loss.

Given how Gotenks and Boo didn’t suffer such severe Ki drain, I think it’s possible, albeit very hard if not impossible without special means. I find likely Goku could minimize it, but not get rid of it completely.

It could be argue that Gotenks is a fusion and the SS3 form drained his fusion time rather than his stamina.

Something similar happens to Goku though. His time on Earth was reduced to some 30 minutes after he fought Majin Boo. SSJ3 doesn’t only tire you up but also eats up your lifespan.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It could be argue that Gotenks is a fusion and the SS3 form drained his fusion time rather than his stamina.

It isn't suggested to drain the fusion time any faster plus, if that were the case, he'd have probably diffused before exiting the Rosat with how time works in there.

 

[sei'taer]

It's clearly not a form that can be used in the living world. When goku uses it while dead it uses up his time he has left on earth. When Gotenks uses it, it uses up his fusion time. When Goku uses it alive he can hardly sustain it.

Like Kaio-ken and the Grade forms, it deserved to be quickly abandoned when something better came along.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It could be argue that Gotenks is a fusion and the SS3 form drained his fusion time rather than his stamina.

It isn't suggested to drain the fusion time any faster plus, if that were the case, he'd have probably diffused before exiting the Rosat with how time works in there.

I thought it was suggested by Gotenks or Goku once the former went back to his base state. Was it dub error?

 

[Papasmurf]

It could be argue that Gotenks is a fusion and the SS3 form drained his fusion time rather than his stamina.

It isn't suggested to drain the fusion time any faster plus, if that were the case, he'd have probably diffused before exiting the Rosat with how time works in there.

I thought it was suggested by Gotenks or Goku once the former went back to his base state. Was it dub error?

Trunks said SSJ3 only lasts for 5 minutes while fused, and fusion ends soon afterwards too (which is why they initially planned do drag on their fight with Boo until they have 5 minutes left, then transform to SSJ3)