SSjin3: A Flawed SSjin Transformation?

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Fucking kids.

 

[Spiral-Force]

It's definitely flawed since its use is a lot less favourable in the Living World compared to Other World. But when looking at it from a wider perspective, its lack of success stemmed from a risky decision that made the situation more complicated and dangerous. Even with its flaws, the arc could have ended much earlier if Goku decided to finish Fat Buu instead of leaving things to the new generation.

 

[VampireWicked]

Thinking about SuperSaiyan3 it seems more a forced flawed Transformation like G2, & G3
I think it's actually a Buff of G4 SuperSaiyan FullPowered

Because IF SuperSaiyan3 was a natural Transformation then Vegeta would've gained it by now, & Gotenks would've been capable of AscendedSaiyan (SS2)
I've never seen Gotenks go AscendedSaiyan (SS2).

 

[Spiral-Force]

There's certainly something abnormal about its attainment. Goku acknowledged Vegeta's hard work and even compared it to his own, so there's more to it than rigorous training.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Even with its flaws, the arc could have ended much earlier if Goku decided to finish Fat Buu instead of leaving things to the new generation.

I'd say that part is debatable. Sure, he said he could have beaten Fat Boo, though whether or not he could do so by continuing the fight rather than going for the kill from the start with the limited time he had left is something up for contention. Of course, a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha could always help.

There's certainly something abnormal about its attainment. Goku acknowledged Vegeta's hard work and even compared it to his own, so there's more to it than rigorous training.

I'd agree it requires some aspect not found in Earthly training. I will say though that this statement from Goku has some ambiguity though as we're told immediately afterwards that Vegeta still couldn't catch up to him without Babidi's influence.

Because IF SuperSaiyan3 was a natural Transformation then Vegeta would've gained it by now

Not really. Vegeta likely wouldn't have any interest in SS3 when he completely avoided using Grade 3 even after he'd used up all other options, so such flawed transformations really aren't his thing. Super makes this even more of a worthless goal to set himself when the God forms still seem to drain far less Ki than SS3 does.

 

[VampireWicked]

Even with its flaws, the arc could have ended much earlier if Goku decided to finish Fat Buu instead of leaving things to the new generation.

I'd say that part is debatable. Sure, he said he could have beaten Fat Boo, though whether or not he could do so by continuing the fight rather than going for the kill from the start with the limited time he had left is something up for contention. Of course, a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha could always help.

There's certainly something abnormal about its attainment. Goku acknowledged Vegeta's hard work and even compared it to his own, so there's more to it than rigorous training.

I'd agree it requires some aspect not found in Earthly training. I will say though that this statement from Goku has some ambiguity though as we're told immediately afterwards that Vegeta still couldn't catch up to him without Babidi's influence.

Because IF SuperSaiyan3 was a natural Transformation then Vegeta would've gained it by now

Not really. Vegeta likely wouldn't have any interest in SS3 when he completely avoided using Grade 3 even after he'd used up all other options, so such flawed transformations really aren't his thing. Super makes this even more of a worthless goal to set himself when the God forms still seem to drain far less Ki than SS3 does.

When I say natural I mean a spontaneous unconscious achievement.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

When I say natural I mean a spontaneous unconscious achievement.

That wasn't the point I was saying. My point was that Vegeta's character has shown that, regardless of the requirements in achieving it, SS3 is exactly the type of transformation he wouldn't be interested in pusuing.

 

[Spiral-Force]

I'd say that part is debatable. Sure, he said he could have beaten Fat Boo, though whether or not he could do so by continuing the fight rather than going for the kill from the start with the limited time he had left is something up for contention. Of course, a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha could always help.

I agree that it's debatable. That's why I said "could"; indicating a possibility. In other words, the opportunity was there.

I'd agree it requires some aspect not found in Earthly training. I will say though that this statement from Goku has some ambiguity though as we're told immediately afterwards that Vegeta still couldn't catch up to him without Babidi's influence.

It's not ambiguous, he just wasn't speaking from a perspective as broad or detailed as Vegeta. He mentioned training but didn't talk about other surrounding factors, which Vegeta brought to attention by mentioning the Majin boost and Goku's talent; because of these elements, Vegeta doesn't see them as being completely even.

 

[VampireWicked]

When I say natural I mean a spontaneous unconscious achievement.

That wasn't the point I was saying. My point was that Vegeta's character has shown that, regardless of the requirements in achieving it, SS3 is exactly the type of transformation he wouldn't be interested in pusuing.

And I'm saying IF SuperSaiyan 3 was a spontaneous unconscious occurrence then Vegeta would have no choice in the matter & might have triggered by now.

He wouldn't Transform into SuperSaiyan3 but he'd still have after it's initial awakening.