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SSJ2 · Jun 3, 2015

SSJ2 · Jun 3, 2015

This seems to be missing two of my greatest posts.

RRA Arc Power Chain: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8496030/1/

Base Goku BoGT: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8802569&t=8426892

Epicnessbeyond · Jun 4, 2015

Nice collection but I disagree with a lot of them

Son Gokū · Jun 4, 2015

This is kinda weird...
Why post your posts that you already posted? XD

SSJ2 · Jun 4, 2015

Basically just so I can access them quicker as reference.

Son Gokū · Jun 4, 2015

Super Saiyan said:
Basically just so I can access them quicker as reference.

This is why we need the activity section to start working.

SSJ2 · Jun 4, 2015

Base Kids vs 18: http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1982351-base-kids-vs-18/#m36328436

Lightsworn · Jun 4, 2015

I guess I agree with most except for the Gohan and Dabra stuff.

Epicnessbeyond · Jun 4, 2015

Lightsworn said:
I guess I agree with most except for the Gohan and Dabra stuff.

This and the Gogeta stuff

SSJ2 · Jun 4, 2015

Lightsworn said:
I guess I agree with most except for the Gohan and Dabra stuff.

I don't think we'll ever agree on that topic lol.

Lightsworn · Jun 4, 2015

In the end it's really just a battle of who cares more about art or the story, which can be pretty boring after a while. That topic is better off untouched.

SSJ2 · Jun 4, 2015

Indeed. Until an interview or guide sheds some light on the subject, there is no point in debating it.<hr />test

Kyo · Jun 4, 2015

thank you Q you are based

Also good posts and stuff

edit that isn't really an edit: i'd hate to complain about the limit on frequency of posting after your based actions, so i will do that tomorrow

SSJ2 · Dec 3, 2015

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2156636-lord-appules-power-level/

ahill · Dec 3, 2015

While I agree with Piccolo being much stronger than base saiyans I don't agree with your explanation. If Dabra knew that Vegeta had more power within him, he wouldn't think Pocus would be enough to wipe out the three Saiyans. In addition, why Dabra was so confident in Vegeta's power ? Because Vegeta said in front of him that he could defeat Dabra without problems. He witnessed Vegeta calling Gohan pathetic, so it's obvious that he would assume that Vegeta would be able to transform into SSJ and even overcome Gohan's power. It has nothing to do with Dabra being able to read the hidden power of Bejita IMO.

I also completely disagree about Metallic > Roshi ( 21st Budokai ). When Goku said he had never fought against an opponent like Metallic he could be easily referring to his tremendous resistance ( for being an Android ) rather than its strength. Goku also admitted that he was not using his full power against Metallic.

SSJ2 · Dec 4, 2015

While I agree with Piccolo being much stronger than base saiyans I don't agree with your explanation. If Dabra knew that Vegeta had more power within him, he wouldn't think Pocus would be enough to wipe out the three Saiyans. In addition, why Dabra was so confident in Vegeta's power ? Because Vegeta said in front of him that he could defeat Dabra without problems. He witnessed Vegeta calling Gohan pathetic, so it's obvious that he would assume that Vegeta would be able to transform into SSJ and even overcome Gohan's power. It has nothing to do with Dabra being able to read the hidden power of Bejita IMO.

Pretty dated post there tbh, and I'd probably agree with your analysis. The point stands that Babidi/Dabra must have sensed something special about the Saiyans, otherwise they wouldn't have been singled out over Piccolo.

I also completely disagree about Metallic > Roshi ( 21st Budokai ). When Goku said he had never fought against an opponent like Metallic he could be easily referring to his tremendous resistance ( for being an Android ) rather than its strength. Goku also admitted that he was not using his full power against Metallic.

I'd have to reread that fight again. Goku was not going all out, but what if he had a zenkai after the 21st?

ahill · Dec 4, 2015

I'm on the fence about Goku getting or no Zenkais in Dragon Ball. Do you think he had a Zenkai after his battle with Jackie Chun ?

SSJ2 · Dec 4, 2015

Well, there may be different types of Zenkais in Dragon Ball. One for exhaustion in battle, and on for actually being near death. Because somehow Goku got stronger between the 21st and after Muscle Tower, so I'd say two small Zenkais are possible.

SSJ2 · Dec 23, 2018

Incoming posts in this thread. With the cancer going on at DBZF, I need to transfer some of my reference posts here so they don't get deleted. :/

SSJ2 · Dec 23, 2018

GT SSJ Multipliers

In this post I will be covering each of the four SSJ forms used in GT, and discussing what their multipliers should be.

SSJ: 2.5x Base

The evidence we have for a 2.5x multiplier comes from the battle against General Rildo.

Episode 19
Time: Roughly 19m40s
Context: Rild senses Goku's ki after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
Rild: Up to now, you haven't been putting out half of your power.

Rildo senses that Goku was using less than half of his power in base. Now, since he didn't say "one third", or anything else, I would say it is safe to assume the multiplier is slightly higher than 2x. 2.5x seems to fit the bill because it fits right in between one third (3x) and half (2x).

SSJ 2: 1.5x SSJ

Little is known about SSJ 2 in GT, but it is generally thought that it was bypassed because it did not wield a large enough power gain. However we do know that SSJ 2 has been used thanks to this thread by KP: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8392584/1/ . One specific scene that I analyse is when Goku briefly used SSJ 2 against General Rildo. His SSJ power was already more powerful than Rildo, but when Rildo fired an attack at Goku he needed to use SSJ 2 to block it. To me this says that SSJ 2 still gives a power boost, but most likely smaller than the SSJ amount. I think that a 1.5x boost works perfectly.

SSJ 3: 3x SSJ 2

I feel that SSJ 3 is still a transformation that warrants a large power gain. Goku was confident that he could use SSJ 3 to stop Baby Vegeta.

Time: around 8m15s
Context: Vegeta has just powered up
Goku: "He's got awesome power! If I'm going to withstand him...I'll have to do it at Super Saiyan 3!"

A general trend in GT is Goku attempting to battle the opponent in Base, and then SSJ, and then on from there. In this case, Goku knew SSJ 3 had to be used immediately, which shows us that it must be significantly stronger than SSJ. A 3x multiplier works well here because Goku had a good fight with Baby Vegeta, but his body could not handle the form.

Episode 29
Time: 10m5s
Context: Goku reverts to his regular form
Goku: "T-that's right... As small as my body is, I can't maintain the power of being Super Saiyan 3! [ ] This is going to be trouble..."
Vegeta: "In that case, I'll start coming at you. I'm going to send you to Hell!"

He mentions that he cannot maintain the power of SSJ 3, making it sound like it is definitely a good deal stronger than SSJ.

SSJ 4: No Multiplier

There really is not a lot of evidence about any SSJ 4 multiplier, except for the GT Perfect Files.

GT Perfect Files:
The form which draws out the battle power which Saiyans posses out to the utmost limits is this, Super Saiyan 4!!

This seems to tell us that there is no set amount of power for the form, and this is backed up later in the show. Considering how strong Base Goku got during the time of the battle against Omega/Syn, there is no way that Base Vegeta could be as powerful as him. Yet when Vegeta used SSJ 4, he was roughly equal with a slightly weakened Goku. Vegeta must have had more dormant power than Goku to gain that much power, because there was no way his base equaled Goku's.

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